Password

[Huinesoron]

Then how do you explain this group not being on TG? Everything there is to know is on there, so why isn't it?

Okay, that is funny. :) But you do realise the category you linked doesn't even include 'Gondolindrim', which unquestionably meets my description? (Not the answer, of course.)

Furthermore, I only have core books (e.g. LOTR, Hobbit, Silm, CoH) and FoG. Things like Lay of Leithian and all that are not in my possession, so if you expect me to get the clues from anything I don't own, then know that it won't happen.

I mean, you're doing okay so far? If you work out the theme there's really only one possibility.

hS

[Urwen]

Inb4 it's some obscure group of people found in Weird Bits, in which case the answer is Northern Orcs, who were particularly fickle and spent most of the time staring at Aurora Borealis, and the rest of the time inviting unsuspecting people for dinner, then chucking them into Northern Sea of Nurn, waiting until they froze solid, and then eat them like ice-cream. I'd give anything for ice-cream...

[Huinesoron]

New page:

MORGOTH - Monstrous craven lord (per Fingolfin)
ORODRETH - A dullard slow (per Curufin)
CELEGORM & CURUFIN - Faithless lords untrue (per the people of Nargothrond)
KING THINGOL - Robber (per Sauron)
5. I - Poor rejected beggar
6. N - Fickle folk
7. G - Wrought of lies and guile

(And did we just pass ten thousand posts on this thread?!)

Inb4 it's some obscure group of people found in Weird Bits, in which case the answer is Northern Orcs, who were particularly fickle and spent most of the time staring at Aurora Borealis, and the rest of the time inviting unsuspecting people for dinner, then chucking them into Northern Sea of Nurn, waiting until they froze solid, and then eat them like ice-cream. I'd give anything for ice-cream...

Snort. Charming though the Northern Orcs are, it's not them.

Look at the answers so far and consider what links them. I will say that Fingolfin's comment on Morgoth is presented in flashback.

hS

[Urwen]

But did you miss my post? The one I've deleted?

[Urwen]

Also, the only common link between those is the Silmaril. Or the fact that they were all killed.

[Urwen]

6. Elves of Nargothrond? (Your Gondolindrim hint points towards this)

[Galadriel55]

7. Gorthaur? Though I can't find a direct quote.

[Galadriel55]

5. Can't happen to be Inglor (aka Finrod)? Because that would totally fit the description and what I can make of the theme.

[Huinesoron]

But did you miss my post? The one I've deleted?

... yes? Isn't that the purpose of deleting posts - so people don't see them?

6. Elves of Nargothrond? (Your Gondolindrim hint points towards this)

7. Gorthaur? Though I can't find a direct quote.

5. Can't happen to be Inglor (aka Finrod)? Because that would totally fit the description and what I can make of the theme.

Yes, yes, and yes (well, Ingold)

MORGOTH - Monstrous craven lord (per Fingolfin)
ORODRETH - A dullard slow (per Curufin)
CELEGORM & CURUFIN - Faithless lords untrue (per the people of Nargothrond)
KING THINGOL - Robber (per Sauron)
INGOLD - Poor rejected beggar (per himself)
NARGOTHROND - Fickle folk (per the narrator)
GORTHAUR - Wrought of lies and guile (per Luthien)

Theme: Mocking words in the Lay of Leithian

1. Canto XII: Come forth, whom earth and heaven abhors! / Come forth, O monstrous craven lord!
2. Canto VIII: And then he leaned and whispered low / that Orodreth was a dullard slow
3. Canto X: 'Let us slay these faithless lords untrue!' / the fickle folk now loudly cried
4. Canto VII: warring on the borders of that domain / where Robber Thingol and outlaw folk
5. Canto VI: then at least I should find a few / to go with me, not like a poor / rejected beggar scorn endure
6. Canto X: the fickle folk now loudly cried / with Felagund who would not ride
7. Canto IX: 'O demon dark, O phantom vile / of foulness wrought, of lies and guile,

In an astounding show of irony, a password begun because of Beren's sass wound up using none of it, nor either of the best words directed at him ('Beloved fool!' from Luthien, and 'witless and redeless' from Huan).

Over to Urwen, I believe.

hS

[Urwen]

All right. This one is inspired by yours, sort of.

1. #FFFFFF extremity - of an animal
2. Lord of the hammer.
3. Initiator of double drowning.
4. Finwe's folk.
5. The creator (of this one).
6. Their raiment was green.

[Huinesoron]

All right. This one is inspired by yours, sort of.

1. #FFFFFF extremity.
2. Lord of the hammer.
3. Initiator of double drowning.
4. Finwe's folk.
5. The creator (of this one).
6. Their raiment was green.

Is #1 WHITE HAND?

hS

[Urwen]

Afraid not.

[Huinesoron]

Afraid not.

Okay; is it either CELEBRINDAL or CELEBRIMBOR? Tolkien at least considered silver to be a form of white (hence the White Trees are images of the Silver Tree), and both feet and fists are extremities.

Also they're both associated with Gondolin, which is always a decent guess with you around. :D

hS

[Urwen]

You were closer with white hand than you are now. :smokin:

Maybe the clue needs some altercation.

[Urwen]

There. That better?

[Huinesoron]

There. That better?

... WHITE-SOCKS?

hS

[Urwen]

... WHITE-SOCKS?

hS


No, no. You're misinterpreting the clue. Animal extremity. What is animal extremity?

[Pervinca Took]

Swish-TAIL?

Silver-FOOT?

[Urwen]

No.

Guess I'll have to spell it out for you...

You haven't heard? It was my understanding that everyone has heard. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUi5xKQXG6I)

[Huinesoron]

No.

Guess I'll have to spell it out for you...

You haven't heard? It was my understanding that everyone has heard. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUi5xKQXG6I)

I'm not clicking that, because three hours of occasional guesses is by no means enough that you need to spell any answers out.

Throwing in a couple of "so obvious they're probably wrong" guesses of NOLDOR for #4 and DROGO BAGGINS for #3. Oh, and URWEN for #5. :D

hS

[Galadriel55]

Hui, I had a feeling Beren's snark was involved. ;) I just couldn't come up with the quotes - and that's cause none were Sil quotes, though Fingolfin's in pretty close.



I'm not clicking that, because three hours of occasional guesses is by no means enough that you need to spell any answers out.

Throwing in a couple of "so obvious they're probably wrong" guesses of NOLDOR for #4 and DROGO BAGGINS for #3. Oh, and URWEN for #5. :D

hS

Ah, you beat me to it! :p

Likewise not clicking yet, but wanna propose "paw" for the extremity.

P.S.: what is all the white/silver stuff going on? What clue variant did I miss? I don't get how there's colour involved.

[Urwen]

No to all.

[Galadriel55]

Throwing out a couple more obvious ones:

3. Primula, as there seems to be debate of who drowned whom.

6. Green Elves of Ossiriand? Alternatively, Rangers of Ithilien?

[Huinesoron]

P.S.: what is all the white/silver stuff going on? What clue variant did I miss? I don't get how there's colour involved.

#FFFFFF is how you code white in HTML (hexadecimal codes, where FF is the highest 2-digit code).

hS

[Urwen]

Nope.

[Kath]

White tail?

White wing?

[Urwen]

WHITE WING: #FFFFFF extremity - of an animal
2. Lord of the hammer.
3. Initiator of double drowning.
4. Finwe's folk.
5. The creator (of this one).
6. Their raiment was green.

[Huinesoron]

Hmm. The House of the Wing is one of the Great Houses of Gondolin, bearing a white wing as their symbol, so... #6 (HOUSE OF THE) TREE?

And oh, wait: there's another double drowning, when Ecthelion went balrog-swimming. So either ECTHELION or FOUNTAIN for #3?

The Houses of Gondolin are really interesting, from a political speculation viewpoint. They were clearly founded after the city, since there's nothing like them anywhere else in Arda. How many were there originally? The Pillar and Tower were clearly once a single House - how did they get so large? The Wing is an obvious political fiction, and was the Mole even officially approved? It kind of feels like Maeglin took up with the miners (who as low-class workers probably weren't in a House at all) and started using the name.

So were they all craft-houses originally? The Swallow still bear an arrowhead, and the Harp a... well, harp (so was Salgant actually just a bard whose House had turned themselves into warriors in his despite?). The Hammer was obviously the smiths, who later became the Hammer of Wrath. Pillar-Tower could be the gate-guards? But this leads us to the idea of the Tree as foresters, the Fountain as engineers, and the Heavenly Arch as... well, rich cloud-watchers, which pretty much checks out.

Anyway, that's all off-topic. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

2. Helm? Or maybe Mahtan the Smith, or Aule?

[Urwen]

...like yarn

WHITE WING: #FFFFFF extremity - of an animal
2. Lord of the hammer.
ECTHELION: Initiator of double drowning.
4. Finwe's folk.
5. The creator (of this one).
HOUSE OF THE TREE: Their raiment was green.

[Urwen]

Warning: 3 and 4 are easy, but you have to think a bit outside of the box to get 5.

[Huinesoron]

#2... ROG? (Astondingly, Rog is one of the few remnants of the Fall of Gondolin to be name-dropped later; he shows up in the Quenta Noldorinwa of 1930. Not Duilin, not Penlod, not even Salgant - no, flippin' Rog!)

hS

[Huinesoron]

... wait.

The password's WRENCH, isn't it? :D

Which puts an N on Finwe's people... since it's not Noldor, how about NOLDOLI?

hS

[Urwen]

WHITE WING: #FFFFFF extremity - of an animal
ROG: Lord of the hammer.
ECTHELION: Initiator of double drowning.
NOLDOR: Finwe's folk.
C: The creator (of this one).
HOUSE OF THE TREE: Their raiment was green.

Incidentally, 5 is the creator of FoG, as well as CoH, BaL, Nature of Middle Earth and a bunch of other stuff...

[Urwen]

I'm not clicking that, because three hours of occasional guesses is by no means enough that you need to spell any answers out.

Throwing in a couple of "so obvious they're probably wrong" guesses of NOLDOR for #4 and DROGO BAGGINS for #3. Oh, and URWEN for #5. :D

hS


Sorry, I didn't see that. *blames it on headache*

[Huinesoron]

Incidentally, 5 is the creator of FoG, as well as CoH, BaL, Nature of Middle Earth and a bunch of other stuff...

Until you mentioned 'Nature' I was going to suggest CHRISTOPHER TOLKIEN, but now...

Sorry, I didn't see that. *blames it on headache*

No worries!

hS

[Urwen]

Until you mentioned 'Nature' I was going to suggest CHRISTOPHER TOLKIEN, but now...

No worries!

hS

Didn't he compile Nature...?

[Urwen]

WHITE WING: #FFFFFF extremity - of an animal
ROG: Lord of the hammer.
ECTHELION: Initiator of double drowning.
NOLDOR: Finwe's folk.
CHRISTOPHER TOLKIEN: The creator (of this one).
HOUSE OF THE TREE: Their raiment was green.

Anyway, over to you.

P.S: Could you see the theme?

[Huinesoron]

Didn't he compile Nature...?

I'm not sure; the publishers say he sent stuff to Carl, but don't make it clear whether that was "have some stuff" or "here, publish this as a book".

Anyway, over to you.

P.S: Could you see the theme?

I assumed "The Fall of Gondolin"; was it more detailed than that?

I think you'll like this one:

1. - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
2. - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
4. - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
5. - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
6. - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
7. - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)

hS

[Urwen]

2. Sword (anagram of WORDS)?

[Urwen]

1. Alternate Universe = AU = Gold?
6. Silver?

[Huinesoron]

2. Sword (anagram of WORDS)?

Nope.

'Turn' isn't an anagram indicator, possible for the first time ever. :eek: But:

1. Alternate Universe = AU = Gold?
6. Silver?

Yes to gold, no to silver.

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
2. - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
4. - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
5. - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
6. - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
7. - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)


hS

[Urwen]

I have an inkling on what the password could be, but I am not sure how to fit the rest of the clues in...

Could 7 be me, that is, ME. Ur for fire and erm...ewn?

[Urwen]

And uranium for 6? (mostly for wedging the answer into the password)

[Huinesoron]

I have an inkling on what the password could be, but I am not sure how to fit the rest of the clues in...

Could 7 be me, that is, ME. Ur for fire and erm...ewn?

Hah, I like your thinking, but no, the answer isn't 'ME' or 'URWEN'. The anser is you, I said that. :)

And uranium for 6? (mostly for wedging the answer into the password)

Nope. (Though I bet I could concoct a theory about the role of radioactivity in Middle-earth.)

hS

[Urwen]

If my reasoning is correct, then 7 has the initial R, so Rana, fire in the sky?

[Urwen]

Or maybe just UR, for fire?

[Huinesoron]

If my reasoning is correct, then 7 has the initial R, so Rana, fire in the sky?

Or maybe just UR, for fire?

Neither of these, and it doesn't start with R.

But the ansewr is you. :)

hS

[Urwen]

Is the answer YOU/U?

Otherwise, I am drawing a blank there...

Unless you mean my avatar, which is Glindur...hanging from a cliff...?

[Huinesoron]

Is the answer YOU/U?

Otherwise, I am drawing a blank there...

Unless you mean my avatar, which is Glindur...hanging from a cliff...?

No, the answer isn't YOU; the reasoning for U is closer (but not right).

Consider what "Fire!" might mean, other than... y'know, fire.

hS

[Urwen]

Well, it could mean 'shoot'...

[Urwen]

6. Iron?

[Urwen]

Neither of these, and it doesn't start with R.

But the ansewr is you. :)

hS


You said here that answer is you, and now you say it isn't... :eek:

[Huinesoron]

Well, it could mean 'shoot'...

It could, couldn't it?

You said here that answer is you, and now you say it isn't... :eek:

Well, of course! The anser is you, but not 'YOU'. Obvs. ;)

6. Iron?

Nope. Have you looked up what corundum is? Not the sort with chromium, the other kind.

hS

[Urwen]

The one ruby and sapphire are derived from?

[Urwen]

Oh, and that torch-bearing Orc at Helm's deep comes to mind. Also Fingon, before shooting an arrow.

[Huinesoron]

The one ruby and sapphire are derived from?

That's corundum, right enough. Rubies are the ones with chromium in, so ignore those.

Oh, and that torch-bearing Orc at Helm's deep comes to mind. Also Fingon, before shooting an arrow.

Well, there's something very relevant in the latter example. :)

hS

[Urwen]

I can't see the connection between sapphires and air. I am not that well-versed in chemistry, so any references to that fly right above my head.

[Huinesoron]

I can't see the connection between sapphires and air. I am not that well-versed in chemistry, so any references to that fly right above my head.

This is no longer a chemistry question; it's straight Tolkien.

hS

[Urwen]

Ah. Adamant?

[Huinesoron]

Ah. Adamant?

Bingo.

(But not Bingo Bolger-Baggins. That's going too far.)

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
2. - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
4. - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
5. - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
ADAMANT - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
7. - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)

I will confess that the source text uses 'diamonds', but I needed the A.

hS

[Galadriel55]

2. Axes, as one Rene would tell you.

[Huinesoron]

2. Axes, as one Rene would tell you.

Axes it is.

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
AXES - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
4. - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
5. - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
ADAMANT - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
7. - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)

hS

[Urwen]

What does 5 even mean? That you will tell us the answer? Well, go ahead... :D

[Urwen]

Maybe 5 is WAIT.

[Huinesoron]

What does 5 even mean? That you will tell us the answer? Well, go ahead... :D

No, not I WILL tell you the answer - I WOULD tell you the answer. In a second.

Maybe 5 is WAIT.

It is not. :D This one and #7 work along very similar lines.

hS

[Urwen]

Maybe a hint or a small nudge in right direction for both could help...?

[Huinesoron]

Maybe a hint or a small nudge in right direction for both could help...?

Um. That's really difficult. Hang on, let me think.

Okay:

I don’t want to spell out the answer.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Mellon! :D

[Urwen]

Um. That's really difficult. Hang on, let me think.

Okay:

I don’t want to spell out the answer.

hS


Please give one for 7 too... :(

[Urwen]

Wait, maybe Indis. I would = I'd = ID. ID + IN + S = INDIS. So 5 is Indis. Or DIS for same reasons.

[Galadriel55]

Ok, I'll bite and try the pun game for 5. Is the answer "Second"? Or "Axe", a singular form of the second clue?

[Huinesoron]

Please give one for 7 too... :(

I did. Same clue. I don't want to SPELL out the answer...

Wait, maybe Indis. I would = I'd = ID. ID + IN + S = INDIS. So 5 is Indis. Or DIS for same reasons.

That's really clever! Possibly cleverer than what I actually did.

Ok, I'll bite and try the pun game for 5. Is the answer "Second"? Or "Axe", a singular form of the second clue?

Also cleverer than what I actually did.

To be strictly honest, the clue should say 'just the second'.

hS

[Urwen]

Still have got no clue...

[Galadriel55]

Lord Voldemort!...

...ummmm. "WOULD"? or perhaps WOOD?

[Huinesoron]

Lord Voldemort!...

...ummmm. "WOULD"? or perhaps WOOD?

... is the second word of the clue. :D

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
AXES - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
4. - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
WOOD - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
ADAMANT - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
7. - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)

hS

[Galadriel55]

... is the second word of the clue. :D

I knew there was a "mellon" involved somewhere. Just needed the hints to find the right spot. :) That was a good one!

[Galadriel55]

I wonder if 7 is some sort of YEW. Yew bow? I don't recall yew arrows being a thing...

[Huinesoron]

I wonder if 7 is some sort of YEW. Yew bow? I don't recall yew arrows being a thing...

It is YEW (I said it was you!). Tolkien actually just says bows, but... I needed the Y.

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
AXES - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
4. - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
WOOD - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
ADAMANT - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
YEW - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)

hS

[Galadriel55]

3. Makes me wanna do a literal pull - but that leaves me with "themd", the form of masonry used by Petty-Dwarves to build the foundations of their hidden houses. A detailed description can be found in HOMEXIII, The Weird Bits.

[Urwen]

Password: Gateway?

[Huinesoron]

3. Makes me wanna do a literal pull - but that leaves me with "themd", the form of masonry used by Petty-Dwarves to build the foundations of their hidden houses. A detailed description can be found in HOMEXIII, The Weird Bits.

Oh, yeah, it's all in the Hostetter book.

#3 is your regular straight+cryptic, classic Password clue.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Password: Gateway?

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
AXES - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. T - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
4. E - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
WOOD - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
ADAMANT - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
YEW - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)

Correct! If you can figure out why, it might point you at the last two.

hS

[Urwen]

Maybe the theme is seven. There are seven gates of Gondolin, among which are the gate of GOLD and the gate of WOOD*. There are seven gems made of ADAMANT in the crown of Gondor. There are seven Dwarven ring-bearers and seven forefathers, and dwarves used AXES (there are also seven Balrogs - according to Tolkien - who also used axes).

(*Take a guess on who built them.)

[Galadriel55]

Don't tell me 4 is Eagles...

[Huinesoron]

Maybe the theme is seven. There are seven gates of Gondolin, among which are the gate of GOLD and the gate of WOOD*. There are seven gems made of ADAMANT in the crown of Gondor. There are seven Dwarven ring-bearers and seven forefathers, and dwarves used AXES (there are also seven Balrogs - according to Tolkien - who also used axes).

(*Take a guess on who built them.)

It isn't, but you've mentioned it in there. :)

Don't tell me 4 is Eagles...

:D:D

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe
AXES - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red)
3. T - Stonework that pulls you from the mud
EAGLE - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal)
WOOD - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second.
ADAMANT - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.)
YEW - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light)

(Comments in parenthesis relate solely to the theme; they are not useful for the password letter.)

One to go! This one was inspired by all those flippin' river clues that always catch me out.

hS

[Urwen]

3. The Bridge of Mitheithel? :eek:

[Urwen]

Is 'stonework' a straight clue?

[Huinesoron]

3. The Bridge of Mitheithel? :eek:

Nope. :)

Is 'stonework' a straight clue?

It is! And 'that' is just a linking word; the rest is cryptic.

hS

[Huinesoron]

So: what pulls you (from the mud)?

Or: what verb could mean 'to pull you from the mud', and what would the noun form of it be?

hS

[Urwen]

Drag is the closest. Add that to the river and you get Isengard. And its stonework is Orthanc. So Orthanc?

[Huinesoron]

Drag is the closest. Add that to the river and you get Isengard. And its stonework is Orthanc. So Orthanc?

It's not drag, and there's no river in the clue. Also the answer starts with T. :)

The mud is not significant, except as a thing you might be pulled from.

hS

[Urwen]

Then I dunno.

[Urwen]

Tug, maybe (as in, tugboat)

[Urwen]

But how would that be related to 'stonework'?

[Huinesoron]

Then I dunno.

So work through some verbs for pulling, and consider some nouns that could be related to them. For example, 'drag' might make you think 'dragon', but dragons are not stonework.

My mention of rivers was a reference to river clues in Password, and how they're often presented.

hS

[Urwen]

Read my lasts posts please.

[Urwen]

Oh, wait. They're incorrect. Is the last one TOWER?

[Huinesoron]

Oh, wait. They're incorrect. Is the last one TOWER?

There it is!

GOLD - No, I don't mean Alternate Universe - Sixth gate - Gold
AXES - Weapons on which graphs turn (these ones are red) - Third gate - Bronze (guarded by axemen)
TOWERS - Stonework that pulls you from the mud - Second gate - Stone (surmounted by towers)
EAGLE - Number one deus ex machina (now featuring heavy metal) - Fourth gate - Writhen Iron (with an iron statue of Thorondor)
WOOD - I would tell you the answer, but -- just a second. - First gate - Wood
ADAMANT - Air is to corundum as water is to...? (Now, about that crown.) - Seventh gate - Steel (surmounted by the Crown of Gondolin, surrounded by diamonds)
YEW - You! Yes, you! Fire! (& look up into the light) - Fifth gate - Silver (guarded by bowmen, and surmounted with an image of Telperion

Theme: The Seven Gates of Gondolin

Over to you!

hS

[Urwen]

But before I do, guess who made those gates? :D

[Huinesoron]

But before I do, guess who made those gates? :D

Mostly Turgon, I believe, though Maeglin added the last one after the Nirnaeth. The part where he used it to declare that the Crown of the Hidden Kingdom was more important than the Powers or the Two Trees might, in retrospect, have been something of a hint. :)

hS

[Urwen]

Thanks, now to rack my brain for a new idea. Did you like my wrench one, by the way?

[Huinesoron]

Thanks, now to rack my brain for a new idea. Did you like my wrench one, by the way?

The moment of realising that you'd gone and used it as the password is best described as :eek::rolleyes::D

hS

[Urwen]

The moment of realising that you'd gone and used it as the password is best described as :eek::rolleyes::D

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Yeah, I am insane. We're all insane. Cheers! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ueZo5i6GPg)

[Urwen]

1. Dark lady.
2. He has a punny name.
3. Father of a future Thain.
4. Unwilling captive.
5. One-handed.
6. He would do well at Olympics.
7. Shares first name with Harry's mom and surname with his classmate.
8. Her other name is associated with Meyer's book title
9. Wilkie Collins book title describes her.
10. Other name for the theme.

6 and 11 don't have a first letter in the password.

[Huinesoron]

8/ LILY... BROWN, maybe? I think I remember a Brown at Hogwarts.

6/ BEREN, ERCHAMION, or MAEDHROS?

9/ ... LUTHIEN? With the 'other name' being the nightingale, which sings at Twilight?

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[Urwen]

I assume you meant 8 for Luthien, not 9...

1. Dark lady.
2. He has a punny name.
3. Father of a future Mayor.
4. Unwilling captive.
BEREN: One-handed.
6. He would do well at Olympics.
LILY BROWN: Shares first name with Harry's mom and surname with his classmate.
LUTHIEN: Her other name is associated with Meyer's book title
9. Wilkie Collins book title describes her.
10. Other name for the theme.

[Galadriel55]

1. Morwen?

3. Paladin?

[Urwen]

Sorry, my bad.

[Urwen]

MORWEN: Dark lady.
2. He has a punny name.
3. Father of a future Mayor.
4. Unwilling captive.
BEREN: One-handed.
6. He would do well at Olympics.
LILY BROWN: Shares first name with Harry's mom and surname with his classmate.
LUTHIEN: Her other name is associated with Meyer's book title
9. Wilkie Collins book title describes her.
10. Other name for the theme.

[Huinesoron]

#9: Apparently Collins wrote The Woman in White, which says AREDHEL to me.

#3: The most obvious option here is HAMFAST GAMGEE (aka the Gaffer).

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[Urwen]

:|

[Urwen]

MORWEN: Dark lady.
2. He has a punny name.
3. TOLMAN (I messed up the clue...again...)
4. Unwilling captive.
BEREN: One-handed.
6. He would do well at Olympics.
LILY BROWN: Shares first name with Harry's mom and surname with his classmate.
LUTHIEN: Her other name is associated with Meyer's book title
AREDHEL: Wilkie Collins book title describes her.
10. Other name for the theme.


I guess that's what happens when you're sleepy.....

[Huinesoron]

3. TOLMAN (I messed up the clue...again...)

I guess that's what happens when you're sleepy.....

Ah, father of a future deputy mayor, then. In a fine example of nepotism, Sam tapped his wife's brother to stand in when he popped down to Gondor. ^_^

So... I think I see the theme. Therefore:

#4: HURIN (husband of Morwen, definitely an unwilling captive)
#2: IMRAZOR (the clean-shaven Numenorean), because
Password: MITHRELLAS.

Which suggests #6 EOL would do well in the Olympics... oh! It's javellin-throwing, isn't it? :D

And so #10... SPOUSES?

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[Urwen]

MORWEN: Dark lady.
IMRAZOR: He has a punny name.
TOLMAN (I messed up the clue...again...)
HURIN: Unwilling captive.
BEREN: One-handed.
EOL: He would do well at Olympics.
LILY BROWN: Shares first name with Harry's mom and surname with his classmate.
LUTHIEN: Her other name is associated with Meyer's book title
AREDHEL: Wilkie Collins book title describes her.
SPOUSES: Other name for the theme.


And over to you. :D

[Urwen]

Oh, and the riddle answers was javelin, by the phrase 'stick 'em with the pointy end', which originated in GOT. If you really thought about it, you could've gotten it. :(

[Urwen]

Bump?

[Huinesoron]

Sorry, busy weekend, I've just this second finished writing the password. :)

Thanks for the last one! Some fun names to puzzle over there.

For this Password, the password letters are all the second letter of the answer as written. (Not for any particular reason, except that I needed the letters.)

1. - I add underclothing, and there are four.
2. - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
3. - He, or won't he?
4. - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
6. - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
7. - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
8. - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
10. - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
11. - Too grim to guard, a digger and the first after the old.

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[Galadriel55]

No answers, just thoughts.

3. Sounds like repetition is in order. Maybe a name structurally akin to, say, Fingolfin, or Ghan-buri-ghan. But don't have one to fit the clue in a way that makes sense.

7. There was Aldor the Old and his brother Baldor the (occasionally) drunk. Enc of Arda tells me they had a third brother, Eofor. No odea how that could be related to deer though.

8. Okay, maybe a somewhat reasoned amswer. NIRUH? He did fling the Nauglamir at Thingol, and Turin does make more of a name for himself. The other flingers I came up with so far didn't have sons.

[Galadriel55]

Ah, got one!

6. Fr + do + O = FRODO

[Huinesoron]

3. Sounds like repetition is in order. Maybe a name structurally akin to, say, Fingolfin, or Ghan-buri-ghan. But don't have one to fit the clue in a way that makes sense.

Nope, completely the wrong track.


7. There was Aldor the Old and his brother Baldor the (occasionally) drunk. Enc of Arda tells me they had a third brother, Eofor. No odea how that could be related to deer though.

I didn't even think of that. ^_^ No.


8. Okay, maybe a somewhat reasoned amswer. NIRUH? He did fling the Nauglamir at Thingol, and Turin does make more of a name for himself. The other flingers I came up with so far didn't have sons.

This particular flinger has one, fairly famous son. But is not Hurin.

Ah, got one!

6. Fr + do + O = FRODO

Correct. ^_^

1. - I add underclothing, and there are four.
2. - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
3. - He, or won't he?
4. - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
7. - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
8. - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
10. - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
11. - Too grim to guard, a digger and the first after the old.

[Huinesoron]

It's been a few days, so how about a couple of hints?

#4 is probably the easiest; 'dwarven house' means 'Dwarven House', not settlement. There's only seven, and only one has a support in it.

#10 should be fairly simple too - who is Odo? 'Welshman discovering America' is a perfectly straight clue; I think there's only one name that fits there.

#11 is... wrong. Remove 'and the first after the old'.

To make up for that:

#3 should start with an ellipsis.

#1 just needs a couple of synonyms; 'and there are four' is a straight clue.

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[Galadriel55]

3.... Will?

[Huinesoron]

3.... Will?

Yep!

1. - I add underclothing, and there are four.
2. - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
4. - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
7. - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
8. - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
10. - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
11. - Too grim to guard, a digger.[/QUOTE]

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[Pervinca Took]

The answers all appear to be hobbits. I thought at first Will was one of the casualties in Bree, (Willie), but of course it's Will Whitfoot.

There's a sonnet full of the word will / name Will - or are there two? - in which Shakespeare puns on his name the whole way through.

The flinger of treasure has to be 'Scattergold,' the nickname of SARADOC, father of the more famous Meriadoc. I guess 'run backwards' means the name is entered back to front to fit the password?

[Galadriel55]

11 sounds like one of the -grims. Apparently Isengrim II dug the Great Smials, so I'd go with him.

[Huinesoron]

The answers all appear to be hobbits. I thought at first Will was one of the casualties in Bree, (Willie), but of course it's Will Whitfoot.

No comment. ;)

The flinger of treasure has to be 'Scattergold,' the nickname of SARADOC, father of the more famous Meriadoc. I guess 'run backwards' means the name is entered back to front to fit the password?

Exactly correct.

11 sounds like one of the -grims. Apparently Isengrim II dug the Great Smials, so I'd go with him.

That's the one. ISENGRIM, not ISENGARD.

1. - I add underclothing, and there are four.
2. - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
4. - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
7. - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
DLOGRETTACS - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
10. - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
ISENGRIM - Too grim to guard, a digger.[/QUOTE]

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[Pervinca Took]

Yeah, Dlogrettacs is the chap. Cousin of Dogtanian and Spartacus. (Those Brandybucks, eh?)

Password might be SHIRE something.

SHIRE RULERS?

Maybe ISEMBRAS for the first one? I + BRAS ... + ME??

4 would seem to point towards a spouse of one of the 'remarkable daughters' of the Old Took. Bungo, Gorbadoc and Hugo kibosh 'Shire Rulers,' but it's probably wrong anyway. DROGO doesn't, but does the daughter of a remarkable woman count?

[Huinesoron]

Yeah, Dlogrettacs is the chap. Cousin of Dogtanian and Spartacus. (Those Brandybucks, eh?)

[Thumbs up, madly grinning]


Password might be SHIRE something.

SHIRE RULERS?

Correct.

Maybe ISEMBRAS for the first one? I + BRAS ... + ME??[/quote]

Oh, come on, did I manage to misspell... HA, no, I didn't. It's I SUM BRAS.


4 would seem to point towards a spouse of one of the 'remarkable daughters' of the Old Took. Bungo, Gorbadoc and Hugo kibosh 'Shire Rulers,' but ut's probably wrong anyway. DROGO doesn't, but does the daughter of a remarkable woman count?

One of these is the correct answer, but I'm not gonna give it to you because you've claimed it doesn't fit the password. :p Not Drogo; I wouldn't be that mean.

ISUMBRAS - I add underclothing, and there are four.
2. H - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
4. R - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. [highlight]E/highlight] - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
7. U/highlight] - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
D[highlight]LOGRETTACS - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. E - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
10. R - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
ISENGRIM - Too grim to guard, a digger.[/QUOTE]

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[Galadriel55]

Trust Pervinca to take care of the hobbits. ;)

10. So, said Welshman is Madoc - which resounds with a surprising number of hobbit names. But my friend the interned tells me there was once a Madoc Brandybuck called PROUDNECK, and as we all know necks are higher than feet, no matter how proud. Wow, that was a twisty clue! :D But very fair once I started working with the elements.

[Huinesoron]

Trust Pervinca to take care of the hobbits. ;)

10. So, said Welshman is Madoc - which resounds with a surprising number of hobbit names. But my friend the interned tells me there was once a Madoc Brandybuck called PROUDNECK, and as we all know necks are higher than feet, no matter how proud. Wow, that was a twisty clue! :D But very fair once I started working with the elements.

Count yourself lucky we don't really know what 'Madoc' means...!

ISUMBRAS - I add underclothing, and there are four.
2. H - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
4. R - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. E - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
7. U - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
DLOGRETTACS - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. E - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
PROUDNECK - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
ISENGRIM - Too grim to guard, a digger.

5 to go!

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[Pervinca Took]

2. SHARKEY?

Short version of SHARE + KEY.

Originally the most powerful of the Istari.

For some reason I thought Gorbadoc the most likely candidate out of the spouses of the Old Took's daughters, so wondered if it was him after Brandybuck and a comma, but a little googling tells me that he had the nickname BROADBELT, so I guess those BROADBEAMS lose a BEAM and gain a BELT.

[Huinesoron]

2. SHARKEY?

Short version of SHARE + KEY.

Originally the most powerful of the Istari.

Oh, THAT'S what that clue meant! I'd managed to forget, so well done! ^_^


For some reason I thought Gorbadoc the most likely candidate out of the spouses of the Old Took's daughters, so wondered if it was him after Brandybuck and a comma, but a little googling tells me that he had the nickname BROADBELT, so I guess those BROADBEAMS lose a BEAM and gain a BELT.

Precisely.

ISUMBRAS - I add underclothing, and there are four.
SHARKEY - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
BROADBELT - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. E - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
7. U - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
DLOGRETTACS - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. E - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
PROUDNECK - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
ISENGRIM - Too grim to guard, a digger.

[Galadriel55]

7. First deer = first buck, but not yet an Oldbuck or a Brandybuck --> BUCCA?

[Huinesoron]

7. First deer = first buck, but not yet an Oldbuck or a Brandybuck --> BUCCA?

Exactly that. :) Arguably a dodgy clue, since his name isn't actually 'Buck', but... well, you got it!

ISUMBRAS - I add underclothing, and there are four.
SHARKEY - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
BROADBELT - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. E - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
BUCCA - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
DLOGRETTACS - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
9. E - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
PROUDNECK - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
ISENGRIM - Too grim to guard, a digger.[/QUOTE]

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[Pervinca Took]

7. First deer = first buck, but not yet an Oldbuck or a Brandybuck --> BUCCA?

That is CLEVER! I refer, here, both to the setter and the solver! (An apt piece of sibilant alliteration for this thread, perhaps? (Not wishing to toot my own horn). ;)

Huey, I sometimes forget the solutions and answers to my own clues, too. So far I've always managed to work them out when needed, though!

[Pervinca Took]

I think 9 is FERUMBRAS (I though coniFER was not enough of the frond, but it's FERn, isn't it? And UMBRAS or something similar means shadow.

Ferumbras II didn't marry, because no-one wanted his mother Lalia for a mother-in-law.

[Huinesoron]

I think 9 is FERUMBRAS (I though coniFER was not enough of the frond, but it's FERn, isn't it? And UMBRAS or something similar means shadow.

Ferumbras II didn't marry, because no-one wanted his mother Lalia for a mother-in-law.

Bingo! I was going with 'penumbras', with 'overshadows' indicating that fer(n) was over the front of it. And I couldn't resist the Lalia reference. ^_^

ISUMBRAS - I add underclothing, and there are four.
SHARKEY - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
BROADBELT - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
5. E - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
BUCCA - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
DLOGRETTACS - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
FERUMBRAS - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
PROUDNECK - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
ISENGRIM - Too grim to guard, a digger.

One to go! 'Millennium' is not a reference to the year 2000; try 23 years earlier.

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[Pervinca Took]

Well, that was the Queen's 25th Jubilee. My school celebrated it with a picnic.

[Galadriel55]

Well, that was the Queen's 25th Jubilee. My school celebrated it with a picnic.

Also Star Wars. ;) But I can't get a name out of "Falcon".

[Huinesoron]

Also Star Wars. ;) But I can't get a name out of "Falcon".

[Paddington stare]

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[Pervinca Took]

BERHAEL or PERHAEL is an elvish translation of SAMWISE, who was Mayor of the Shire for many years. But apart from the beginning of the fruit, BERRY, which is often red, I can't provide anything. And it said 'in full,' although this *might* not refer to the fruit.

I looked into APPLEdore, but I think the Appledores are only in Bree. No E at second letter position, either.

MERIADOC has the E in the right place, but I have no elements to offer for such an answer.

Is 1977 anything to do with the publication of Thr Silmarillion (or was that 1978?)

...

I do like the FRODO answer, because not only did Frodo Gardner become the head of the family of that name (and Mayor? Not sure), but Frodo Baggins was Deputy Mayor for a little while.

[Huinesoron]

Also Star Wars. ;) But I can't get a name out of "Falcon".

I looked into APPLE[...]

What sort of apple would that be? And what sort of falcon?


I do like the FRODO answer, because not only did Frodo Gardner become the head of the family of that name (and Mayor? Not sure), but Frodo Baggins was Deputy Mayor for a little while.

Frodo Baggins was the one I was thinking of. :)

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[Urwen]

Peregrin Took, after peregrine apple and peregrine falcon.

[Huinesoron]

Peregrin Took, after peregrine apple and peregrine falcon.

Well, the apple is a pippin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox%27s_Orange_Pippin), which Tolkien explicitly stated (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Pippin#Names_and_Titles), hence 'in full', but yes!

ISUMBRAS - I add underclothing, and there are four.
SHARKEY - The most powerful will shortly share the way to unlock.
WILL - He, or won't he?
BROADBELT - A dwarven house has lost its supports (architecture) and gained support (attire), and married a remarkable woman.
PEREGRIN - The second half of the Millennium follows a ruddy fruit in full.
FRODO - #87, do (it) backwards, #8 - a chemist's hero.
BUCCA - Not old, not drunk - just the first deer.
DLOGRETTACS - Run back, flinger of treasure! Your son is more famous than you.
FERUMBRAS - Most of a frond overshadows partial shadows in a mother's domain.
PROUDNECK - Higher than Odo is a Welshman discovering America.
ISENGRIM - Too grim to guard, a digger.

Theme: Masters, Thains, Mayors, and usurpers of the Shire

I really wanted to do something with just mayors (with Pott, Will, Lotho, Frodo, Sam, and Tom all named as holding the title, it should be possible) but couldn't find a password. As the second-letter thing shows, I could barely find one with this wider set!

Over to Pervinca. :)

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[Pervinca Took]

Cor blimey! And I've used the 'Cox's orange pippin' type thing as a clue for Pippin myself!

A pity the password had no A. You could have included the new title that FASTRED took at Undertowers.

Or used it by running it backwards.

At any rate, that was an original and completely FANTASTIC idea, set of clues and password, Huey!

[Pervinca Took]

Here you go:

1. See him lament in confusion, and dine in confusion within.
2. Knights say it and a queen returns to reveal her.
3. Nimble dwarf transforms into her.
4. He disperses little to swallow a preposition.
5. In turmoil, see poet trade for him.
6. In him, a plosiveless hymn meets an automobile that won't start.

[Huinesoron]

Fastred: ooh, I missed that one! Maybe next time? :D

#2: NIENNA? With Queen Anne and a certain set of shrubbery-seeking knights.

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[Pervinca Took]

Fastred: ooh, I missed that one! Maybe next time? :D

Especially as it's so easy to write clues for him, being so close to 'farted.' :D



#2: NIENNA? With Queen Anne and a certain set of shrubbery-seeking knights.

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Do you know, I wrote it so long ago, I can't remember? :o I'll just go and double-check!

[Pervinca Took]

Nienna it is, of course. ;)

1. See him lament in confusion, and dine in confusion within.
NIENNA: Knights say it and a queen returns to reveal her.
3. Nimble dwarf transforms into her.
4. He disperses little to swallow a preposition.
5. In turmoil, see poet trade for him.
6. In him, a plosiveless hymn meets an automobile that won't start.

[Huinesoron]

#6: I looked at paean for a bit, but then ran into PSALM + CAR = SALMAR, who's... something something sea?

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[Pervinca Took]

1. See him lament in confusion, and dine in confusion within.
NIENNA: Knights say it and a queen returns to reveal her.
3. Nimble dwarf transforms into her.
4. He disperses little to swallow a preposition.
5. In turmoil, see poet trade for him.
SALMAR: In him, a plosiveless hymn meets an automobile that won't start.

The car won't start. That's how we lose the C.

[Huinesoron]

#4: TILION starts with about half of 'little', and ends with a preposition.

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[Pervinca Took]

Right preposition, but use a synonym of 'little' and disperse it.

[Urwen]

Perhaps 3 is is Lothiriel (LITHE + ORI). It's the closest I can come up with.

[Pervinca Took]

Perhaps 3 is is Lothiriel (LITHE + ORI). It's the closest I can come up with.

LITHE is right.

Choose another dwarf, from the same company. (Not the company that tried to retake Moria, which Ori was also in).

[Urwen]

Gilthoniel?

[Urwen]

And 4 is Eonwe (wee swallows on)

[Urwen]

And 1 is Ainwendil (wail + dine)

[Urwen]

And password is angels.

[Pervinca Took]

AIWENDIL: See him lament in confusion, and dine in confusion within.
NIENNA: Knights say it and a queen returns to reveal her.
GILTHONIEL: Nimble dwarf transforms into her.
EONWE: He disperses little to swallow a preposition.
L: In turmoil, see poet trade for him.
SALMAR: In him, a plosiveless hymn meets an automobile that won't start.

Well done, Urwen! :)

Just one to go.

[Huinesoron]

LATHSPELL contains 'SELL' for trade, and... oh, there it is, PLATH. :)

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[Pervinca Took]

AIWENDIL: See him lament in confusion, and dine in confusion within.
NIENNA: Knights say it and a queen returns to reveal her.
GILTHONIEL: Nimble dwarf transforms into her.
EONWE: He disperses little to swallow a preposition.
LATHSPELL: In turmoil, see poet trade for him.
SALMAR: In him, a plosiveless hymn meets an automobile that won't start.

Well done!

Over to Urwen.

[Urwen]

Give me a day or two.

[Urwen]

Here we go:

1. Rosie's dad returns with a vowel switch. Just add #1 for her.
2. The Spanish extremity reveals her.
3. A car part turns for him - without hydrogen.
4. A handle of the sword meets a mythical creature. All is confused for her.
5. Shake up the Tajik monetary unit to reveal him.
6. Twisted hearing organ is surrounded by a signal for help; he should have used the latter.

[Pervinca Took]

3. ELWE? (Wheel minus H).

6. SAEROS (SOS around twisted EAR).

Tajikistan has the SOMONI, but I can't get anything Tolkienian from scrambling that.

[Galadriel55]

5. AMDIR, from diram?

1. NIMLOTH, from Tolma(i)n. Not sure how #1 becomes H.

[Pervinca Took]

I think Urwen means add one letter, which you did. :)

[Urwen]

#1 means hydrogen as well. The first element on the periodic table. A trick used by Pervinca too, if I recall correctly.

NIMLOTH: Rosie's dad returns with a vowel switch. Just add #1 for her.
2. The Spanish extremity reveals her.
ELWE: A car part turns for him - without hydrogen.
4. A handle of the sword meets a mythical creature. All is confused for her.
AMDIR: Shake up the Tajik monetary unit to reveal him.
SAEROS: Twisted hearing organ is surrounded by a signal for help; he should have used the latter.

[Pervinca Took]

NELLAS for the password.

4. LOTHIRIEL - HILT plus ... ORIEL?

I only know ORIEL as a kind of window or an Oxford college, though.

LALAITH ... HILT + ALA?

GILTHONIEL ... HILT + GONIEL? ;)

[Urwen]

Well, I am pretty sure that none of those fit the theme...though Lalaith is related to three people who do and who could have been in the puzzle as well, had I not decided to use only elves...

NIMLOTH: Rosie's dad returns with a vowel switch. Just add #1 for her.
E: The Spanish extremity reveals her.
ELWE: A car part turns for him - without hydrogen.
L: A handle of the sword meets a mythical creature. All is confused for her.
AMDIR: Shake up the Tajik monetary unit to reveal him.
SAEROS: Twisted hearing organ is surrounded by a signal for help; he should have used the latter.

[Galadriel55]

2. ELWING: el + wing


Theme: perhaps something to do with living in Doriath? So perhaps LUTHIEN for the remaining one - though, HILT + ?UNE? ENU? UEN?

[Urwen]

It's nue.

NIMLOTH: Rosie's dad returns with a vowel switch. Just add #1 for her.
ELWING: The Spanish extremity reveals her.
ELWE: A car part turns for him - without hydrogen.
LUTHIEN: A handle of the sword meets a mythical creature. All is confused for her.
AMDIR: Shake up the Tajik monetary unit to reveal him.
SAEROS: Twisted hearing organ is surrounded by a signal for help; he should have used the latter.

THEME: People who lived in Doriath at some point of their lives.

Over to Pervinca.

[Pervinca Took]

Nice one! The NIMLOTH one in particular was a great clue.

Good work, Galadriel, too!

Here we go, then:

1. Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine.
2. He holds currency, though muddled and directionless.
3. Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot!
4. Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth.
5. Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second.
6. He sends no rugs back to the twin city?
7. An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one!

[Urwen]

Am I the only one willing to play this?

[Urwen]

3. Possibly Vasa (Ava + s???)

[Pervinca Took]

3. Possibly Vasa (Ava + s???)

The AVA bit is right. Well done!

I have used 'turn' in the sense of a right turn or a left turn ....

And the answer is not a name.

[Urwen]

Avar?

[Huinesoron]

'Turn precedes' - so LAVA (which is hot)?

#5: As an entirely straight clue, this could be CAVES (or maybe TUNNELS), under the Misty Mountains; with the second letter being the password one.

#4: Frodo's dream in Bombadil's house (and indeed Frodos Dreme) are about the Sea, but Merry (I think) dreams of WATER more generally, or perhaps a FLOOD (or indeed DROWNING, though that's a bit dark!).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine.
2. He holds currency, though muddled and directionless.
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot!
4. Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth.
5. Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second.
6. He sends no rugs back to the twin city?
7. An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one!

Frodos Dreme was just to put poetry into the clue. ;) You're looking for something that Bilbo dreams of.

Bilbo sees some things in Mirkwood when he climbs up into some trees, or is lifted up, (I forget which). They are ysually a differe.nt colour, but the ones he sees are black. ;)

[Galadriel55]

There are black squirrels and butterflies, but I thought Bilbo *does* see them.

(By the way, black squirrels are only a rarity in the Old World. On this side of the pond they're a daily occurrence.)

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, he *does* see them. I am referring to the variety of them that he *doesn't* see.

[Huinesoron]

Yes, he *does* see them. I am referring to the variety of them that he *doesn't* see.

Tolkien being Tolkien, does he describe them as being like Red Admirals or Purple Emperors? [Checks] It's the latter. 'Take the second' could indicate using the second letter (U), or could mean we only need 'Emperor'.

(Which would obviously be a reference to Ar-Pharazon, with the theme 'things found underneath mountains'. :D :D :D)

As for Bilboes Dreme - well, FOOD springs to mind after he got Bombur'd by Thranduil. I think he also dreamt of mountains; you say 'it', so maybe the LONELY MOUNTAIN.

6: 'Twin city' in Middle-earth would probably mean Minas Ithil & Anor, but my immediate assumption was Ankh-Morpork. ^_~ 'No rugs back' could mean there's a 'guron' in the answer, but that doesn't sound terribly Tolkien.

7: Uh... Fingolfin's 'squeeze' is presumably Anaire. Not sure other than that.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine.
2. He holds currency, though muddled and directionless.
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot!
4. Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth.
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second.
6. He sends no rugs back to the twin city?
7. An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one!

You want a *particular* food that Bilbo dreams about.

And a city that was *founded* by twins.

[Urwen]

So...guron+Rome?

[Huinesoron]

So...guron+Rome?

ROMESTAMO is Rome + [n]o mats (backwards). ... oh, and o = 0, right?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine.
2. He holds currency, though muddled and directionless.
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot!
4. Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth.
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second.
ROMESTAMO: He sends no rugs back to the twin city?
7. An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one!

Exactly right!

[Huinesoron]

Is the password COLOURS? Orange lava, purple butterflies, and one of the Blue Wizards?

Which for Bilboes Dreme points at BACON.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is the password COLOURS? Orange lava, purple butterflies, and one of the Blue Wizards?

Which for Bilboes Dreme points at BACON.

hS

All correct! I wrote it straight after your RAINBOW one.

It has every colour of the rainbow, like yours, but unfortunately I couldn't get them in the right order like you did.

I'll put your answers in later, when I get home.

[Pervinca Took]

C: Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine.
O: He holds currency, though muddled and directionless.
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot! (Orange)
BACON: Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth. (Pink)
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second. (Purple)
ROMESTAMO: He sends no rugs back to the twin city? (Blue wizard)
-S: An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one!

THEME: THE SEVEN COLOURS OF THE RAINBOW.

(UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER).

[Galadriel55]

CARNIL for #1? Not sure how, except it's red and has "nil car" which may be stretched to having no wheels.

#2: DOLLAR - L = ORALD, but not sure how he fits the theme, except maybe via his yellow boots.

[Pervinca Took]

CARNIL for #1? Not sure how, except it's red and has "nil car" which may be stretched to having no wheels.

#2: DOLLAR - L = ORALD, but not sure how he fits the theme, except maybe via his yellow boots.

Both exactly right.

[Pervinca Took]

CARNIL: Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine. (Red star)
ORALD: He holds currency, though muddled and directionless. (Yellow boots)
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot! (Orange)
BACON: Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth. (Pink)
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second. (Purple)
ROMESTAMO: He sends no rugs back to the twin city? (Blue wizard)
-S: An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one!

THEME: THE SEVEN COLOURS OF THE RAINBOW.

(UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER).

That leaves *green.* :)

[Urwen]

So it's an ocean that is green? *consults TG*

[Pervinca Took]

So it's an ocean that is green? *consults TG*

Good idea, but no. The ocean is the cryptic part of the clue.

What's TG? 'The Guide,' or something?

[Urwen]

Tolkien Gateway.

[Pervinca Took]

Note straight part of clue: 'some.' ;)

It's something you can have *some* of.

[Urwen]

Food? Did Middle-Earth people invent pancakes? Because I'd love to have some pancakes.

[Pervinca Took]

Not food or drink. But something you can gather.

[Huinesoron]

An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze could mean literally 'the name of a sea, minus Fingolfin's wife'. 'MEDITERRANEAN' contains every letter in 'ANAIRE', and leaves 'MEDTERN', which is enough letters to anagram something. One vowel would need changing (maybe to 'o' from November, or maybe the vowel next to the N, or maybe you also need to add an N), and I guess we'd need to pluralise it...?

Or it could be LEAVES, based solely on the colour. :D

(PS, Urwen: of course Middle-earth has pancakes...! (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1259630/51/Pancakes))

hS

[Urwen]

Or Longbottom Leaf in particular, because Fingolfin contains the letters LONG, a bottom is something you can squeeze, and a leaf is green.

[Pervinca Took]

It's a *kind* of leaves. If you know something of the Valinorean. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

CARNIL: Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine. (Red star)
ORALD: He holds currency, though muddled and directionless. (Yellow boots)
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot! (Orange)
BACON: Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth. (Pink)
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second. (Purple)
ROMESTAMO: He sends no rugs back to the twin city? (Blue wizard)
-S: An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one!

THEME: THE SEVEN COLOURS OF THE RAINBOW.

(UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER).

Urwen, bannocks are baking in Rivendell when Bilbo first arrives there, and I think bannocks can be fried as well as baked.

[Huinesoron]

It's a *kind* of leaves. If you know something of the Valinorean. ;)

-_-

A-SEA [ANAIRE>ARANI[E>O]]-N(ovember)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

CARNIL: Without wheels, so to speak, see it shine. (Red star)
ORALD: He holds currency, though muddled and directionless. (Yellow boots)
LAVA: Turn precedes a palindromic actress? Goodness, it’s hot! (Orange)
BACON: Frodos Dreme? No, but it features heavily in at least one of his kinsman’s – take the fourth. (Pink)
PURPLE EMPERORS: Something Bilbo would have seen, had they not been black. Take the second. (Purple)
ROMESTAMO: He sends no rugs back to the twin city? (Blue wizard)
ASEA ARANION: An ocean! - Fingolfin’s squeeze, in turmoil, changes vowel on the first of November, and we see some – take the second one! (Green)

THEME: THE SEVEN COLOURS OF THE RAINBOW.

(UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN THE RIGHT ORDER).

And over to Huinesoron, I think?

[Huinesoron]

That was good! I have an inordinate fondness for tightly-constrained themes, so this was a lot of fun.

I think these all hold together, but I wouldn't be overly surprised if I'd gotten a mistake in there somewhere.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
3. - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
5. - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
7. - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

[Urwen]

7. Irime ('I rhyme';rime is frost)

[Urwen]

11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

But a Weasley is a werewolf, or at least part-werewolf...and he in particular has a namesake in LoTR world, therefore I deduce that the answer to 11 is Bill Ferny.

[Huinesoron]

7. Irime ('I rhyme';rime is frost)

Correct. (Irime Lalwen presumably lived in Hithlum with her favourite brother, but it's always possible she was somewhere else. Similarly, her fitting the theme is technically an assumption, though I think a very solid one. The others are more certain.)

But a Weasley is a werewolf, or at least part-werewolf...and he in particular has a namesake in LoTR world, therefore I deduce that the answer to 11 is Bill Ferny.

Huh, is he? I didn't know that! Not that Weasley, anyway. :)

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
3. - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
5. - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

[Galadriel55]

5. MITH + RID + NAR = MITHRANDIR (I have to echo you - blue? :confused:)

4 makes me think of Narsil, but can't fit it to the clue.

8 - hey! I swear I've seen this trick before! Except that neither, um, participant has a road and a something and a hobbit.

[Huinesoron]

5. MITH + RID + NAR = MITHRANDIR (I have to echo you - blue? :confused:)

All that the unsuspecting Bilbo saw that morning was an old man with a staff. He had a tall pointed blue hat, a long grey cloak, a silver scarf over which his long white beard hung down below his waist, and immense black boots.


4 makes me think of Narsil, but can't fit it to the clue.

Not even close.

8 - hey! I swear I've seen this trick before! Except that neither, um, participant has a road and a something and a hobbit.

o.o I am very pleased that I have no idea what you're talking about.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
3. - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Could 3 be CELEBRIMBOR? Purely because it contains BRIM and he was a ring artisan.

[Huinesoron]

Could 3 be CELEBRIMBOR? Purely because it contsins BRIM anx hd was a ring artisan.

It is! The full derivation is reversed ELECT + BRIM + BORE (dull) gives 'Tcelebrimbore', which is then topped and tailed.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
2. - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

[Galadriel55]

o.o I am very pleased that I have no idea what you're talking about.

I was thinking about the three (FOUR!) Elf/Mortal couples. But the second - Idril and Tuor - are simply too short to contain that clue. Celebrindal is long enough, but I just don't see how it can fit.


#2 suggests NIE, which gives rise to several mopey name possibilities. An Elvish gift is ANNA or something like it, from Annatar. Hence, NIENNA.

[Huinesoron]

I was thinking about the three (FOUR!) Elf/Mortal couples. But the second - Idril and Tuor - are simply too short to contain that clue. Celebrindal is long enough, but I just don't see how it can fit.

Oh, hah. Nothing to do with any of that (except in the sense that this person is distantly related to them... but frankly, it's Middle-earth, isn't everyone?)

#2 suggests NIE, which gives rise to several mopey name possibilities. An Elvish gift is ANNA or something like it, from Annatar. Hence, NIENNA.

Correct; ANN(a)EIN backwards.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
4. - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is 4 OAK or OAKENSHIELD?

[Huinesoron]

Is 4 OAK or OAKENSHIELD?

Oakenshield it is. I was always taught that the three English trees were oak, ash, and elm - up until elm went rather solidly extinct in these parts.

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
6. - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is 6 EARWEN, Galadriel's mother?

[Huinesoron]

Is 6 EARWEN, Galadriel's mother?

It is not (and 'Mother' is a cryptic element).

hS

[Pervinca Took]

MA-EADHROS, then, who was cut down, wounded?

Has R A

And ... was about to call her a HOE? :o

[Huinesoron]

MA-EADHROS, then, who was cut down, wounded?

Has R A

And ... was about to call her a HOE? :o

This is entirely wrong (though would fit the theme), but hilariously you're only one letter away from getting the answer.

hS

[Urwen]

Hah, I think I got one over Pervinca, concerning this character at least.

Maura? (MA+U+RA)

I know him better than you. :cool:

[Huinesoron]

Hah, I think I got one over Pervinca, concerning this character at least.

Maura? (MA+U+RA)

I know him better than you. :cool:

That's the chappie; you see why I was amused? ;)

1. - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
9. - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
11. - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

hS

[Urwen]

That's the chappie; you see why I was amused? ;)

hS

Indeed so.

[Pervinca Took]

Uncommitted?

9. Theodred? (Dread of theism in incorrect Latin?)

11. Daeron? (Ron ... not sure about werewolf).

[Urwen]

I expected you to at least say something about the thing. *disappointed*

[Pervinca Took]

You're right - it seems remarkable that you thought of him and I didn't.

I didn't think of Frodo's other names. I'd no reason to, because I had no idea of the theme at that point. ;)

[Huinesoron]

Uncommitted?

9. Theodred? (Dread of theism in incorrect Latin?)

11. Daeron? (Ron ... not sure about werewolf).

"He may live as a wolf, but he will die Ron." :D

All three correct.

1. U - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. T - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. E - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

(I'm pretty sure it's 'Dairon' not 'Dayron'.)

hS

[Urwen]

Well, I think that Gandalf and Frodo are very committed towards destroying Sauron, but that could just be me...

[Galadriel55]

Well, I think that Gandalf and Frodo are very committed towards destroying Sauron, but that could just be me...

Well, Frodo had his moments of hesitation - maybe this spring, or next year, or after the birthday, etc. Uncommitted to a decision. But what was Nienna uncommitted about?

Wait.

Oh.

Are they uncommitted as in... single?


EDIT: Making #1 URWEN = UR + WHEN

[Pervinca Took]

'Single' is what I understood. Hence my remark about not thinking of Frodo until I'd worked out the theme.

I thought the password started with the word 'Once' for a bit.

Ron's brother Bill nearly became a werewolf. I was trying to put Bill into the answer for quite a while.

[Huinesoron]

Well, Frodo had his moments of hesitation - maybe this spring, or next year, or after the birthday, etc. Uncommitted to a decision. But what was Nienna uncommitted about?

Wait.

Oh.

Are they uncommitted as in... single?

^_^ That's exactly what they are.

(Originally it was going to be single women, but that only gives about 5 letters, and most of those are vowels, so.)


EDIT: Making #1 URWEN = UR + WHEN

Correct!

URWEN - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. T - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
10. E - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

2 to go.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I like the Urwen clue, but what is the 'ancient city' element?

[Huinesoron]

I like the Urwen clue, but what is the 'ancient city' element?

Ur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur). :) It's kind of the ur-ancient city, so to speak. ^_~

hS

[Pervinca Took]

10. EARNUR.

Ey, ahh knaw!

[Huinesoron]

10. EARNUR.

Ey, ahh knaw!

I wound up puzzling over this one myself. The answer is indeed Earnur, with 'the city' being Minas Morgul... I think the clue was 'EARNER + "E? No, U!", but I'm honestly not certain.

URWEN - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. T - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
EARNUR - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

Only #8 to go! I quite like this one. ^_^

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Huey, is the T the 4th letter?

[Huinesoron]

Huey, is the T the 4th letter?

N--

...

The clue is not indicating that you need to take the fourth letter, no.

hS

[Galadriel55]

Huey, is the T the 4th letter?

I thought it was the second. :confused: Or maybe neither, and both the 2 and 4 are not talkong about letter placement.

[Huinesoron]

I thought it was the second. :confused: Or maybe neither, and both the 2 and 4 are not talkong about letter placement.

They aren't, it's just the first letter. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

A betting hint is a TIP, though, and who has TIP in their name?

Ah! TIPTOE, the observant and philosophical fox in Book One. :D

[Pervinca Took]

And over we go ...

I wound up puzzling over this one myself. The answer is indeed Earnur, with 'the city' being Minas Morgul... I think the clue was 'EARNER + "E? No, U!", but I'm honestly not certain.

URWEN - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
8. T - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
EARNUR - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

Only #8 to go! I quite like this one. ^_^

hS

[Huinesoron]

A betting hint is a TIP, though, and who has TIP in their name?

Ah! TIPTOE, the observant and philosophical fox in Book One. :D

Y'know, he always has sounded like a refugee from Narnia. Proof, perhaps, of the old theory that the east-facing Narnia map and the west-facing Middle-earth map are supposed to back onto each other, making 'The Magician's Nephew' the canonical origin of Men in Arda? Further evidence is found in the fact that only a little fiddling lets you line the End of Narnia nicely with the Fall of Numenor and the Change of the World...

Anyway, no, and it's not a hint (or tip) to a gambler.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

For a couple of pins, says Troll, and grins ... is the Troll gambling 2 pins?

Is it Troll, or the Tom of the same song?

[Huinesoron]

For a couple of pins, says Troll, and grins ... is the Troll gambling 2 pins?

Is it Troll, or the Tom of the same song?

It is not. This is a named character, who is specifically noted to be unmarried (unlike the rest of the three (I SAID FOUR)).

hS

[Urwen]

For some reason, it reminds me of the certain group of four, but only one of those is unmarried, and they're the answer to another clue.

[Urwen]

Shortened road could be 'ROD', and Pin - Fin, so the answer could be Finrod.

[Huinesoron]

For some reason, it reminds me of the certain group of four, but only one of those is unmarried, and they're the answer to another clue.

What, Frodo? This is not an LotR clue.

Shortened road could be 'ROD', and Pin - Fin, so the answer could be Finrod.

Nope - the road isn't short (and the troll's pins aren't relevant either).

Some thoughts:

-What is a road made of?
-What hint might a gambler (accidentally) give?
-'a misspelled Hobbit' does not refer to a specific hobbit.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I thought of one of the TAR-s, but then thought that too much of a leap from 'road.'

TAR-TELPERIEN.

Perian misspelt. One of three, but should have been four, (damn you, Ar-Pharazon!) ruling queens of Numenor. I guess she was the only unmarried one of the four.

A gambler might 'tell' someone a hint by accident?

[Huinesoron]

I thought of one of the TAR-s, but then thought that too much of a leap from 'road.'

TAR-TELPERIEN.

Perian misspelt. One of three, but should have been four, (damn you, Ar-Pharazon!) ruling queens of Numenor. I guess she was the only unmarried one of the four.

A gambler might 'tell' someone a hint by accident?

Nothing is too much of a leap! :D:D:D

(This is not actually a statement of gameplay philosophy, fear not.)

In games like poker, the involuntary habits which reveal what a player is thinking - such as tapping their fingers on the table, or blinking rapidly - are known as tells.

URWEN - An ancient city (now? then? Start huffing less) with an older and sadder name.
NIENNA - An endless Elvish gift: one German backwards cries.
CELEBRIMBOR - Retro voting is full to the-- but dull, topped and tailed by an artisan.
OAKENSHIELD - Not ash, and not the dead one, but good for protecting a wandering king.
MITHRANDIR - Lisp, Miss, and dispose (of) fire/a dwarf back to one wearing blue (blue?).
MAURA - Mother, you are a-- no, cut that down, wounded one.
IRIME - I rhyme! Or is that frost? Hang out in Hithlum and you'll see (probably).
TAR-TELPERIEN - A road, a short gambler's hint, and a misspelled Hobbit for the second of three (FOUR!).
THEODRED - If you don't know Latin, fear God and guard the ford.
EARNUR - Make lots of money! Say "He know(s) you," and ride to the city.
DAERON - If Weasley was a werewolf, he might live a wolf, but he would... play music!

Theme: Unmarried characters

Over to you, I think, Pervinca.

hS