Password

[Galadriel55]

2. Lasse?

Fiddling around with rote for #4, but nothing clicks yet.

[Urwen]

ORODRETH: Missing a note, upset globe searches for an exit in confusion, but finds an elven king.
LASSE: Girl gains a note for a translated leaf
WEREWOLVES: Moon howlers
ECCO: Repetition changes note for a translated back

[Pervinca Took]

1. Missing a note, upset globe searches for an exit in confusion, but finds an elven king.
LASSE: Girl gains a note for a translated leaf
3. Moon howlers
4. Repetition changes note for a translated back

1. Orodreth? Earth upset and minus the a, plus confused door?

3. Wargs/werewolves? ;)

No idea about clue 4, but could the password be Olwe?

[Urwen]

Clues 1 and 3 are correct, so is the password. Since clue 4 is a bit tricky, the answer is ecco, elvish word for back. Echo-H+C

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, I thought it might be the indefinite article backwards, but looked this up and apparently Elvish doesn't have the indefinite article. (So I learned something! Not sure if this is all Elvish languages, or just one/some, though). Then I thought it might be 'back' in Elvish, but didn't have time to look properly. But kicking myself that I didn't think of 'echo' - I was thinking of words like 'redo.'

Have a go at this one. I will give clues as and when requested, or if people get stuck.

Actually, I'll give one clue straight away and say that this particular puzzle has a lot of hobbits in it.

1. Rearrange graphite for a thain’s bride – and she’s one of these!
2. Harsh metal, poetically, forms him.
3. Add liquid to fruit for her.
4. Regal dwelling loses this French racket for him.
5. Whisky-based tipple is heard to suffer ovine extraction, but through turmoil finds direction for him.
6. A ghazal would do this here.

P.S. Welcome back, Urwen and Ivriniel. :)

[Ivriniel]

P.S. Welcome back, Urwen and Ivriniel. :)

cheers n kind regards :)

[Galadriel55]

2. Estel?

[Galadriel55]

And 4. Paladin?

I seem to be on a wave of midnight inspiration.

[Galadriel55]

3. Pearl (Took, I think?)

[Ivriniel]

I like being dumb (on this thread) - inspiration free, I'm afraid :)

I just doooon't get these things yet :) But I'll follow and keep trying

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rearrange graphite for a thain’s bride – and she’s one of these!
ISENGRIM (TOOK): Harsh metal, poetically, forms him.
PEARL (TOOK): Add liquid to fruit for her.
PALADIN (TOOK): Regal dwelling loses this French racket for him.
5. Whisky-based tipple is heard to suffer ovine extraction, but through turmoil finds direction for him.
6. A ghazal would do this here.

Yes, isen for iron plus grim for harsh, with adjective following noun as often happens in poetry (poetic licence).

I didn't know about I indicating liquid state - you mean I as opposed to L? My chemistry classes are now long, long ago ....

[Galadriel55]

Ivriniel, the clues so far are PEAR + L (L and R are liquids, just as P and B are plosives)

Oh, that's how you meant it! I thought it was for (l), which indicates liquid state.

2. Isengrim?

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry for the muddle there.

Isengrim is correct. Unfortunately, I have edited my last post, when I meant to quote it instead, re-editing the quote to add Isengrim. Muddle happened because I am posting from my 'phone.

It is of course grim for harsh, plus isen (iron) for metal, poetically arranged with adjective last, as often happens with poetic licence.

PEARL was PEAR plus L (the letters L and R are classed as liquids).

PALADIN was PALACE minus CE (French word for 'this'), plus DIN.

[Galadriel55]

I didn't know about I indicating liquid state - you mean I as opposed to L? My chemistry classes are now long, long ago ....

States of matter are indicated with lowercase letters in brackets. So (l) for liquid, (g) for gas, etc. So not knowing the liquid classification if letters, I thought that this might be a potential explanation.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rearrange graphite for a thain’s bride – and she’s one of these!
ISENGRIM (TOOK): Harsh metal, poetically, forms him.
PEARL (TOOK): Add liquid to fruit for her.
PALADIN (TOOK): Regal dwelling loses this French racket for him.
5. Whisky-based tipple is heard to suffer ovine extraction, but through turmoil finds direction for him.
PERVINCA TOOK: A ghazal would do this here.

Yes, in a ghazal, the writer puts a 'signature' in the last line.

TOOK is indeed one of the passwords, but if you look closely you'll see another.

DIAMOND is indeed graphite with rearranged particles - but it's the precise clan she belongs to that will give you the final answer to clue 1.

[Galadriel55]

Pssssst! Look up what a ghazal is and solve clue 6!

I did, but my first thought was Odo, who is as far as I know not a Took.

Peregrin?

(In thinking of the various Tooks, I just realized what a curious combination are Peregrin and Paladin, etymology-wise)

[Pervinca Took]

No. Are you referring to the fact that ghazals use monorhyme?

There is something else that ghazals do, in their last line. ;)

[Galadriel55]

No. Are you referring to the fact that ghazals use monorhyme?

Well, actually, no, I didn't even look that far into what they are. I was going more on associations with "Middle East/Asia" and "poetry".

...

...

OH!!! Pervinca Took. ;) Good one. :D

[Galadriel55]

Also, 1. Diamond, Pippin's wife?

And TOOK for password?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rearrange graphite for a thain’s bride – and she’s one of these!
ISENGRIM (TOOK): Harsh metal, poetically, forms him.
PEARL (TOOK): Add liquid to fruit for her.
PALADIN (TOOK): Regal dwelling loses this French racket for him.
5. Whisky-based tipple is heard to suffer ovine extraction, but through turmoil finds direction for him.
PERVINCA TOOK: A ghazal would do this here.

Yes, in a ghazal, the writer puts a 'signature' in the last line.

TOOK is indeed one of the passwords, but if you look closely you'll see another.

DIAMOND is indeed graphite with rearranged particles - but it's the precise clan she belongs to that will give you the final answer to clue 1.

I've done it again. Edited instead of quoted. So I'm now quoting my edited post.

[Galadriel55]

DIAMOND is indeed graphite with rearranged particles - but it's the precise clan she belongs to that will give you the final answer to clue 1.

Long Cleeve, then?

[Pervinca Took]

Nearly. What kind of Tooks were the Tooks of Long Cleeve? ( You need a directional word before Tooks. The _____-Tooks).

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rearrange graphite for a thain’s bride – and she’s one of these!
ISENGRIM (TOOK): Harsh metal, poetically, forms him.
PEARL (TOOK): Add liquid to fruit for her.
PALADIN (TOOK): Regal dwelling loses this French racket for him.
5. Whisky-based tipple is heard to suffer ovine extraction, but through turmoil finds direction for him.
PERVINCA TOOK: A ghazal would do this here.

[Galadriel55]

North-Tooks. Had to search for that one.

And PIPPIN for the second password.

[Pervinca Took]

NORTH-TOOKS: Rearrange graphite for a thain’s bride – and she’s one of these!
ISENGRIM (TOOK): Harsh metal, poetically, forms him.
PEARL (TOOK): Add liquid to fruit for her.
PALADIN (TOOK): Regal dwelling loses this French racket for him.
I: Whisky-based tipple is heard to suffer ovine extraction, but through turmoil finds direction for him.
PERVINCA TOOK: A ghazal would do this here.

Right both times! Well done.

The remaining clue is the hardest, but you'll find the answer in the same place as the others. ;)

I had to invert the password because to use the 'ghazal' clue, Pervinca Took had to come at the end.

Oh, and not only are there no Tooks with names beginning with N, there is only one hobbit! Nob, one of Barliman Butterbur's helpers. So the North-Tooks came to the rescue. I wanted it to be all Tooks if possible.

[Pervinca Took]

Want to guess the remaining clue?

[Galadriel55]

Well I narrowed down the list of Tooks to those who start with I, but being quite unversed in tipples I have not been able to figure out the actual clue, so guessing the answer by a flip of a coin feels like cheating at this point. I may as well post the entire list for you to pick from. I've tried looking up various such drinks, but most of the names don't appear to be long enough or have the right letters. I'm just probably not looking for the right sort of tipples. :)

[Pervinca Took]

I thought that might be the reason. And I certainly don't want to encourage underage drinking! But just as a clue, google for a tipple which is a whisky-based liqueur, and is only one word long.

[Mithalwen]

Isambard is not far off being an anagram of Drambuie but I can't understand the sheepy bits so maybe not.

[Galadriel55]

I thought that might be the reason. And I certainly don't want to encourage underage drinking! But just as a clue, google for a tipple which is a whisky-based liqueur, and is only one word long.

It's not even that, it's just that I am terribly ignorant in some areas of life. ;)

Didn't find anything yet that would match any better than Drambuie, but I did find a liqueur called "Flaming Pig". Not sure why anyone would want to drink that.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, Isembard from Drambuie. (Isambard is the Brunel spelling, but I'd used that clue once before - sounds like a Tookish engineer, or something).

The sheep bit is 'ewe' because it sounds like U. I did start with 'yew,' but reading that the yew tree is highly poisonous, I didn't want to mention it in the same sentence as a drink (yes, I'm weird).

I probably indicated the S by saying add direction - I can't see my clues on my phone at this point without a lot of scrolling.

Well done both, and over to Galadriel! :)

[Pervinca Took]

NORTH-TOOKS: Rearrange graphite for a thain’s bride – and she’s one of these!
ISENGRIM (TOOK): Harsh metal, poetically, forms him.
PEARL (TOOK): Add liquid to fruit for her.
PALADIN (TOOK): Regal dwelling loses this French racket for him.
ISEMBARD (TOOK): Whisky-based tipple is heard to suffer ovine extraction, but through turmoil finds direction for him.
PERVINCA TOOK: A ghazal would do this here.

[Galadriel55]

Well done both, and over to Galadriel! :)

Thank you muchly!

This password is rather weird and might be a bit tricky, so I will gladly give hints if you find you need them. I'm not sure how difficult the password as a whole actually is.


1. Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.

Enjoy!

[Pervinca Took]

Wonder if 2 could be POLO, from pool and the fact that continued action is on a loop? Could pool being loop backwards be the reflection bit?

3. Annatar. Anna plus rat backwards, for the form of Sauron that tricked the elves.

[Urwen]

4 is Deagol. Go in the middle of deal.

[Galadriel55]

1. Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.

2 is the weirdest clue there. It's like the North-Tooks clue in the last password - I had to find a way to make something fit when nothing did. If it is too difficult, I will alter the clue to make it easier.

[Pervinca Took]

There's The Golden Perch - Pippin reflects on the beer there. Not going there confuses the action, as they take a short cut and get lost ....

[Galadriel55]

There's The Golden Perch - Pippin reflects on the beer there. Not going there confuses the action, as they take a short cut and get lost ....

Not the Golden Perch either. I suggest ignore the word "reflection". It's a directive word that should be applied to your answer from the rest of the clue.

[Pervinca Took]

I think 7 is Alatariel. The only science fiction princess I know of is Leia, and an altar is a sacrificial table. At first I thought I was lacking an A, but Altariel and Alatariel both seem to exist as maiden with a glittering garland (Galadriel).

[Galadriel55]

1. Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.

[Pervinca Took]

Not the Golden Perch either. I suggest ignore the word "reflection". It's a directive word that should be applied to your answer from the rest of the clue.

Ah, confustication. ;) That kind of stuffs up my next guess, which was Bywater Pool, which Frodo I think tries to remember in Cirith Ungol and Sam reflects on when suffering thirst in Mordor.

[Galadriel55]

Ah, confustication. ;) That kind of stuffs up my next guess, which was Bywater Pool, which Frodo I think tries to remember in Cirith Ungol and Sam reflects on when suffering thirst in Mordor.

Aw man, your guesses are so sophisticated, I wish my clues were that thought-out. :D It's much simpler than that.

[Pervinca Took]

Forbidden Pool - where Gollum enjoys a raw seafood platter? I know you said forget reflection, but he's reflecting on the nasssty hobbitses while he chews his dinner. And how he's thinking of throttling them. ;)

[Galadriel55]

It's not a pool or an inn. It has nothing to do with liquids of any kind. Okay, it's a person. :) Try that. :)

[Pervinca Took]

Samwise - sea and swim muddled? Being the location and action of fish.

Although that does have something to do with liquids!

[Pervinca Took]

1. The SAUNA is a Finnish invention. Lose A (indefinite article), add the conjunction OR, and scramble it to get SAURON.

[Galadriel55]

1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.



Samwise - sea and swim muddled? Being the location and action of fish.

Although that does have something to do with liquids!

Not Sam himself! Sorry if that was confusing. I thought that an anagram of two such related words is too dear to pass by. I think that has happened once or twice before, but quite rarely!

For the final answer, though, you're looking for the reflection of said hobbit. :)

[Pervinca Took]

It's a great clue! :)

And I'm slightly embarrassed to admit that I started with Santa for the possible Finnish invention, before finding Sauna ... only one different letter ... plus a relocated one ....

[Pervinca Took]

Could 8 be ISTAR, as an anagram of stair?

[Galadriel55]

Sadly not Istar, but indeed a wizard.

[Pervinca Took]

5. BILBO! Bulb, with I replacing the U, plus O for exclamation.

Just wondering if the password could be Ringbearers.

[Galadriel55]

1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. BILBO I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.


The reflection for #2 is quite literal. The answer to the clue is Samwise, but only the reflection will yield the correct password.

[Pervinca Took]

Can't think of any reflection of Sam that could be the answer. Except, perhaps, his Choices. Unless you're thinking of Frodo as Sam's reflection?

[Pervinca Took]

8. I wonder ... perhaps stumbles isn't an anagram indicator ... hmmm ... could refer to Thorin's chance meeting with Gandalf, perhaps ... hazard a guess at Thorin?

[Galadriel55]

Perhaps the reflection bit was unfair. The full answer is Samwise, you don't have to do change anything in it, you just have to reflect it. I think it still counts as a proper answer, full marks, but it was a bit of an unfair question. So I'll give it to you either way, but I'll wait one more post before writing it in (unless you want to keep guessing).

ETA: Not Thorin. You were closer with Istar.

[Pervinca Took]

Just Samwise spelled backwards? I thought of that, but thought it had to spell something.

Esiwmas?

Olorin for wizard? I can't quite get there, but there is Oin or Ori in his name (dwarves work in stone) or I think trolls are also called Olog-hai. But I can only explain some of the letters, so perhaps not.

[Galadriel55]

1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. ESIWMAS Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. BILBO I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.


Samwise is the weird clue. Before writing the clues, I made a list of all - or almost all - possible names that could fit thematically, and out of all of them not a single one had the right letter in the right position. Hence I had to invert Samwise.

You're using the right logic for stone folk, but you haven't found the right folk yet. :)

[Pervinca Took]

Did Roverandom become a wizard? One letter from the Rammas (stoneworkers in Gondor) plus over nomad scrambled.

[Pervinca Took]

10. Ok, completely wrong, no doubt, but HOED for cropped plus RS (star minus ta, colloquial for thank you), for MAEDHROS, AM or A or M for the element ... dazed I have absolutely no idea.

[Galadriel55]

No cigar. Sorry. :(

For 8, you're looking for an alternative name for a member of the "stone folk", mixed with a name of a member of a real-world... hmm, what's the word? Ethnic group? That can be described as nomadic to some extent.

For 10, you have the right logic for star, but the wrong word. Once you find the right word, the whole clue will become much easier.

[Urwen]

I am sorry, but I have to jump in with the password, which is Ring bearer.

[Pervinca Took]

I guessed that a few posts back, but I think it was wrong.

[Galadriel55]

I guessed that a few posts back, but I think it was wrong.

Oh my! :o I'm so sorry. I must have missed it, because that's entirely correct.



1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. ESIWMAS Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. G____ Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. BILBO I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. ___R__ One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. ____E__ Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. _____R__ Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.



EDIT: Oh, I found it now. I think that was an edit which I cross-posted with. Sorry! :o

[Pervinca Took]

Oh! I thought Ringbearer was just a thematic password, if true. I didn't realise it was hidden in the letters.

No need to apologise, Galadriel!

Actually I was wrong. I put Ringbearers (plural), thinking every answer was one. So Urwen guessed it, really.

[Pervinca Took]

I am going to guess Celebrimbor for the smith, based on the position of the R. I made a list of all the smiths I could find, and he's the only one who would fit. But I also initially thought of him because he was a Ringbearer for a while.

Celeb is an element, but not cropped. Bor(on) could be said to be a cropped element. So, in a way, is brim(stone), the old-fashioned word for sulphur. But I think a cropped element has to join the thankless star and then the whole lot needs to be dazed/mixed. I still can't make it all work.

[Galadriel55]

I am going to guess Celebrimbor for the smith, based on the position of the R. I made a list of all the smiths I could find, and he's the only one who would fit. But I also initially thought of him because he was a Ringbearer for a while.

Celeb is an element, but not cropped. Bor(in) could be said to be a cropped element. So, in a way, is brim(stone), the old-fashioned word for sulphur. But I think a cropped element has to join the thankless star and then the whole lot needs to be dazed/mixed. I still can't make it all work.

There are many different kinds of stars. ;)


1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. ESIWMAS Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. G____ Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. BILBO I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. ___R__ One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. ____E__ Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. CELEBRIMBOR Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.


Edit:As for the password, it's a bit of both - At first I was just going to make it thematic, but then I went for spelling it out as well. So you're both right in a sense. Ummm... rock paper scissors? :Merisu:

Edit2: ...Celeb is an element? :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

Celeb is silver, which is an element (Ag).

Ah, a cropped version of celebrity. I had thought of ty for thank you, but those letters weren't in anything I found.

I was even starting to play around with things grown as crops, or even the word hair, because hair can be cut/cropped.

Hang on ... it's not cropped celebrity, but thankless celebrity = celebri ... bor for a cropped version of boron ... but where do dazed and the M come from?

Or is it Br for bromine (I think) and O as an expletive/a gasp one might utter when dazed?

[Pervinca Took]

9. Nerwen? Renew + n, a near-palindrome, and a ringbearer (another name for one we've already had ;) ).

[Galadriel55]

Celeb is silver, which is an element (Ag).

Ah, ok, the Elvish version. ;) I was just a bit confused for a second. :)

Or is it Br for bromine (I think) and O as an expletive/a gasp one might utter when dazed?

I was just meaning to scramble brom(ine).


1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. ESIWMAS Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. G____ Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. BILBO I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. ___R__ One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. NERWEN Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. CELEBRIMBOR Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.


Alright, the last two shouldn't be too hard given the password and theme. :)

[Pervinca Took]

As you said Olorin is wrong, the only one I can make fit for the Wizard is Tharkun. I didn't think it contained a dwarf name, though, unless Nar is one (yes, he is! Looked it up). The nomadic tribe element made it very difficult, because there are so many of them, and even then it probably has to be scrambled!

Galadriel contains girl and lad, but that leaves A and E. Perhaps E could be 'small big' as in very small version of enormous? King? Errrr ... still drawing a blank.

Or maybe LAD for boy, IG for small big, R for king
(Rex) and LEA for girl?

[Urwen]

Maybe nomads are Thurk?

[Pervinca Took]

We need another R, though.

[Galadriel55]

Reasoning is not right for Tharkun, but I think I may have had a hand in that.

Stone-folk was meant to refer to the people of Gondor, which translates as Stone-land. They are called Tarks by orcs. Tharkun is tark overlapping with hun.

As for #4, many right elements but wrong person. I can only think of two other Ringbearers off the top of my head whose names start with G. ;)


1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. ESIWMAS Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. G____ Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. BILBO I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. THARKUN One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. NERWEN Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. CELEBRIMBOR Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.

[Pervinca Took]

Gil-Galad ... were the three given to him before at least one was passed on to Cirdan?

LAD plus GAL plus IG.

[Galadriel55]

Gil-Galad ... were the three given to him before at least one was passed on to Cirdan?

LAD plus GAL plus IG.

Precisely so! I believe he wielded Vilya before giving it to Elrond.


1. SAURON Finnish invention replaced article with conjunction, tangled lord.
2. ESIWMAS Hobbit's reflection confuses action and location of fish.
3. ANNATAR Rodent jumped back after girl beguiled Elves.
4. GIL-GALAD Small big boy girl puzzled king.
5. BILBO I replaced you in plant part before exclamation was heard by hobbit.
6. DEAGOL Leave in the middle of a bargain? Don't want to share assets.
7. ALATARIEL Science fiction princess lies back on top of sacrificial table for a crowned maiden.
8. THARKUN One of stone folk stumbles over nomad wizard.
9. NERWEN Revive muddled point, get near-palindrome.
10. CELEBRIMBOR Dazed, cropped element joins thankless star for smith.



The list of names that didn't make it into the password was about twice as long as the password itself, and included a couple Dwarves. I've tried rearranging the password so many times to get more variety into it, but this is the best I was able to come up with, and even so, I had to reverse a name to make it fit. Gah! Maybe I should pick shorter words or better themes in the future.


Urwen, you've guessed the actual letters of the password, so I guess the thread goes to you (but kudos to Pervinca for getting the theme). The floor is yours. :)

[Pervinca Took]

Odd thing is, I did think of Gondor, but got sidetracked by the word Rammas, thinking they were a kind of stonemason people of Gondor. It was Peter Vaughan as BBC Denethor who wrong-footed me by the way he said a line: 'The walls ... that the Rammas built with so great a labour' was what it sounded like. I remember tarks popping into my head too. And Gil-Galad because of ringbearing, but I was nonplussed by boy girl large small and wondered if there was a king of Numenor called Tar-Oxymoron.

Anyway, a brilliant, challenging, enjoyable and quite inspirational Password puzzle!

P.S. If I'm honest, I was trying to make the Tharkun clue work with trolls as well. ;)

[Galadriel55]

Odd thing is, I did think of Gondor, but got sidetracked by the word Rammas, thinking they were a kind of stonemason people of Gondor. It was Peter Vaughan as BBC Denethor who wrong-footed me by the way he said a line: 'The walls ... that the Rammas built with so great a labour' was what it sounded like. I remember tarks popping into my head too. And Gil-Galad because of ringbearing, but I was nonplussed by boy girl large small and wondered if there was a king of Numenor called Tar-Oxymoron.

Ahahaha! Oh man! Tar-Oxymoron, the big small boy girl king queen of Numenor-not-Numenor. Sounds like a character from one of the Russian folk tales, where a king sends his servant to I-Don't-Know-Where, to fetch I-Don't-Know-What. Ah, if only...

[Pervinca Took]

It's probably because there was an Ozymandias and I always used to mistake the Z in it for an X ....

And that folk tale sounds very like the errand Dumbledore sent Harry on. ;)

[Galadriel55]

And that folk tale sounds very like the errand Dumbledore sent Harry on. ;)

Hehehe! Too true. :D

[Urwen]

Well, I'll have to pass. I have exams coming up and don't have the time needed. Later.

[Pervinca Took]

I have one ready. Shall I post it?

[Galadriel55]

I have one ready. Shall I post it?

All yours.

[Pervinca Took]

Inspired by Galadriel's. :)

1. Credulous fellow gains a thousand and a vital element. In turmoil is he revealed.
2. Lion sound? Horse? Mingles for a king.
NIARHT: Shire chief runs back, gaining direction. Stocky, stubborn bloke reflected.
DNORLE: Swinburne's poetic form muddles and loses you, we hear? Reflects a kindly lord, though.
ARWEN: Maiden close, with point in a muddle.
6. Matriarch in chaotic prison ship reflects him.
7. Hoopy chap in a spin.

[Galadriel55]

I keep thinking Thrain for 3, even though that doesn't account for all the directional terms.

4. Elrond (roundel - u, scrambled)

5. Arwen (near + w)

Given the current discussions in the Books section, number 6 makes me think of Gollum's Grandmother. :D

[Pervinca Took]

All three are correct. Only one direction is mentioned, and R does the job, (added to THAIN spelled backwards, of course).

[Pervinca Took]

1. Credulous fellow gains a thousand and a vital element. In turmoil is he revealed.
2. Lion sound? Horse? Mingles for a king.
NIARHT: Shire chief runs back, gaining direction. Stocky, stubborn bloke reflected.
DNORLE: Swinburne's poetic form muddles and loses you, we hear? Reflects a kindly lord, though.
ARWEN: Maiden close, with point in a muddle.
6. Matriarch in chaotic prison ship reflects him.
7. Hoopy chap in a spin.

[Nerwen]

Is #2 "Aragorn"? ("roar" + "nag").

[Pervinca Took]

1. Credulous fellow gains a thousand and a vital element. In turmoil is he revealed.
ARAGORN: Lion sound? Horse? Mingles for a king.
NIARHT: Shire chief runs back, gaining direction. Stocky, stubborn bloke reflected.
DNORLE: Swinburne's poetic form muddles and loses you, we hear? Reflects a kindly lord, though.
ARWEN: Maiden close, with point in a muddle.
6. Matriarch in chaotic prison ship reflects him.
7. Hoopy chap in a spin.

Yes, and this password puzzle was inspired by Galadriel's in another way, besides some of the answers being spelled backwards. There is a connection between the answers, like Galadriel's connection, but with a slight twist.

[Nerwen]

Hey, Pervinca, can you remember the answer?

[Mithalwen]

I will ping a message to her on Faceache.

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry, got my password wrong yesterday (the one for the forum ;)), and could not get in to post. I kept all my cryptic and password clues in a Word document, but could not find that one. I think there must be a later version of the document stored somewhere else. I will look again and also at the clues and see if I can remember ....

Supposing whoever wants to posts the next one and I keep hunting? I don't have time to put another password together.

[Nerwen]

We could still guess... and maybe you'll remember when and if we get it right.

[Nerwen]

Let's see... perhaps 1. is "Gollum".

Gull (credulous fellow), mixed up (in turmoil) with M for a thousand and O for oxygen.

Ring any bells?

And 6. could be "Lumahk" (i.e. Khamul backwards).

Ma (matriarch) inside mixed up (chaotic) letters of hulk (prison ship)- and then the whole name is "reflected".

I mean, those might not have been your solutions, but I think they're quite decent ones. Perhaps you could adopt them.

Though I don't have any idea what would link all these people...

[Nerwen]

Wait! The answer is "Gandalf".

You may not remember, Pervinca, but just look at it- it has to be!

[Pervinca Took]

I was going to say that prison ship could only be hulk and matriarch would be Ma. And credulous fellow would have to be fool or gull.

Yes, you are right. I am sure GANDALF is the password, and having read a post I made upthread I remember the connection between the clues (and also the password) was that all were connected with a Ring / in some way a ringbearer if you counted the Ring of Barahir (it was inspired by Galadriel's previous one, which had Ringbearer as the password and in which the answer to every clue was a Ringbearer). I also had to put some of the answers backwards to get a password, and I think Galadriel did that with one of hers, too.

The last of the clues should be easy now. ;)

[Nerwen]

Is it a "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" reference? Frodo = anagram of "frood" = synonym of "hoopy" (in hitchhikerese).

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. Over to you!

GOLLUM: Credulous fellow gains a thousand and a vital element. In turmoil is he revealed.
ARAGORN: Lion sound? Horse? Mingles for a king.
NIARHT: Shire chief runs back, gaining direction. Stocky, stubborn bloke reflected.
DNORLE: Swinburne's poetic form muddles and loses you, we hear? Reflects a kindly lord, though.
ARWEN: Maiden close, with point in a muddle.
LUMAHK. Matriarch in chaotic prison ship reflects him.
FRODO: Hoopy chap in a spin.

[Galadriel55]

Mark of a good password: can be solved without anyone's knowledge of the answer!

Nice cracking, Nerwen!

[Mithalwen]

She certainly knows where her towel is. :p

[Nerwen]

Well, then-

1. Heating alcohol confuses unpleasant character.
2. Wronged king wanders among Central Asian mountains to discover her.
3. Deception and pursuit mingle for enchantress.
4. Radiant maiden is found where a backward age meets contemporaneity.
5. She is central to the current thing, we hear.
6. Muddled swamp track leads to another wronged ruler.
7. After a slight rearrangement she becomes fighting fit.

[Galadriel55]

3. LUTHIEN = lie + hunt

[Nerwen]

Yup!

1. Heating alcohol confuses unpleasant character.
2. Wronged king wanders among Central Asian mountains to discover her.
LUTHIEN: Deception and pursuit mingle for enchantress.
4. Radiant maiden is found where a backward age meets contemporaneity.
5. She is central to the current thing, we hear.
6. Muddled swamp track leads to another wronged ruler.
7. After a slight rearrangement she becomes fighting fit.

[Galadriel55]

My mind is getting rather fixated on certain words, even though some are obviously not correct. The first thing I thought of when reading 6 is "bog" for swamp, and now I can't get Gorbag out of my head as the easiest anagram. Quite the wronged ruler!

Also becoming fixated on a certain maiden, but can't get anything to fit.

[Nerwen]

My mind is getting rather fixated on certain words, even though some are obviously not correct. The first thing I thought of when reading 6 is "bog" for swamp, and now I can't get Gorbag out of my head as the easiest anagram. Quite the wronged ruler!

Also becoming fixated on a certain maiden, but can't get anything to fit.
No, not Gorbag- though I'm sure he'd have agreed with the "wronged" part. You're looking for an actual ruler, not just an officer. There are many synonyms for swamp...

4. May be a bit hard. "Contemporaneity" replaces a much simpler word/concept.

As you see, I'm quite willing to give out clues, lest this drag on for ever again.:)

[Mithalwen]

Arien? Not confident but she was certainly radiant and her name has era backwards in it. But get stuck there.

[Nerwen]

Arien it is!

1. Heating alcohol confuses unpleasant character.
2. Wronged king wanders among Central Asian mountains to discover her.
LUTHIEN: Deception and pursuit mingle for enchantress.
ARIEN: Radiant maiden is found where a backward age meets contemporaneity.
5. She is central to the current thing, we hear.
6. Muddled swamp track leads to another wronged ruler.
7. After a slight rearrangement she becomes fighting fit.

[Galadriel55]

Oh wow! I thought of her but couldn't explain the rest of the word. How does it work? :confused:

[Nerwen]

Oh wow! I thought of her but couldn't explain the rest of the word. How does it work? :confused:
Silly pun. The name is made of "Era" backwards ("backwards age") + "in" ("contemporaneity")- in the sense of something being "in" fashion etc.

[Nerwen]

Not half as silly as #5, though. #5 is just purely idiotic.:smokin:

[Mithalwen]

Ah well not being a dedicated follower of fashion it is no wonder I struggled to get that. Stabbing again in the mirk - Gollum for 1. Again can't fully get there but heating alcohol could be mull

[Nerwen]

No, not Gollum.

[Galadriel55]

Not half as silly as #5, though. #5 is just purely idiotic.:smokin:

Midfad! :D

[Galadriel55]

Oh! Tar Miriel for 6!

Took me log enough. I had both mire and trail on my synonym list - and at one point discarded the other Miriel. This just goes to show how rusty my Tolkien got. The only reason it came to me now is I had a thought that all the clues involve females, and worked backwards by looking for female rulers.

The samr technique is not as fruitful for the unpleasant character, though. Maybe I'm wrong about the females, but it seems likely and might help Mith (and Pervinca and others?) guess the rest.

[Nerwen]

It is indeed Tar-Miriel.:)

1. Heating alcohol confuses unpleasant character.
2. Wronged king wanders among Central Asian mountains to discover her.
LUTHIEN: Deception and pursuit mingle for enchantress.
ARIEN: Radiant maiden is found where a backward age meets contemporaneity.
5. She is central to the current thing, we hear.
TAR-MIRIEL: Muddled swamp track leads to another wronged ruler.
7. After a slight rearrangement she becomes fighting fit.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I thought of mire and so Miriel but couldn't make it work since didn't occur to use her style.

[Galadriel55]

I can almost make Nimrodel work for 5, as an anagram of sound-like mode and inner.

[Nerwen]

Not Nimrodel. This one is really, really stupid. Not the answer. The method.:rolleyes:

[Nerwen]

And it's not an anagram.

[Pervinca Took]

Am tempted to say Altariel for 2 (Altai mountains), but can't get a wronged king, unless taking the X from Rex and replacing it with an L counts.

[Galadriel55]

Am tempted to say Altariel for 2 (Altai mountains), but can't get a wronged king, unless taking the X from Rex and replacing it with an L counts.

If you take the other variation, Alatariel, then King Lear fits with the extra A.

[Nerwen]

Hmmn... I'm not sure which of you to award that one to- perhaps both?:smokin:

1. Heating alcohol confuses unpleasant character.
ALATARIEL: Wronged king wanders among Central Asian mountains to discover her.
LUTHIEN: Deception and pursuit mingle for enchantress.
ARIEN: Radiant maiden is found where a backward age meets contemporaneity.
5. She is central to the current thing, we hear.
TAR-MIRIEL: Muddled swamp track leads to another wronged ruler.
7. After a slight rearrangement she becomes fighting fit.

[Pervinca Took]

An Entwife is central to an Ent, and Ent can be found in the centre of 'current thing.' And she's central to there ever being any Entings again ('ent-thing').

[Nerwen]

No, that would be clever. This is stupid, remember?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Miruvor for the heating alcohol as it warms you up, and the unpleasant character for the cryptic bits? ;) (The problem being that 'git' does not appear anywhere in 'miruvor,' confused or otherwise).

2. Uinen for 5 - but I know it's wrong. It's part of Bruinen, which has a current (perhaps), but you said it wasn't an anagram ... but I think she and Osse were close to Ulmo and hence to currents.

I think it's 'current' as in 'Now,' but I can't think of any 'Now' sounds except the Naugrim, who didn't have many women ....

'Indis' - central - 'in' - 'dis' (colloquial pronunciation of 'this') ...?


As you see, I'm quite willing to give out clues, lest this drag on for ever again.:)

I was always very willing to give clues. People simply weren't replying to the thread; I thought you'd all grown tired of it or something.

[Nerwen]

Told you it was stupid!:smokin:

1. Heating alcohol confuses unpleasant character.
ALATARIEL: Wronged king wanders among Central Asian mountains to discover her.
LUTHIEN: Deception and pursuit mingle for enchantress.
ARIEN: Radiant maiden is found where a backward age meets contemporaneity.
INDIS: She is central to the current thing, we hear.
TAR-MIRIEL: Muddled swamp track leads to another wronged ruler.
7. After a slight rearrangement she becomes fighting fit.


I was always very willing to give clues. People simply weren't replying to the thread; I thought you'd all grown tired of it or something.
Oh dear! That was in no way meant as a crack at you, but I see how it could be taken that way! I am sorry.:o

[Galadriel55]

Hmmn... I'm not sure which of you to award that one to- perhaps both?:smokin:

Nah, Pervinca did all the work.

I was always very willing to give clues. People simply weren't replying to the thread; I thought you'd all grown tired of it or something.

I think it's just at some point you stop getting new ideas at all, and things slow down. And if that coincides with a general quiet then they die down. :(

[Pervinca Took]

I'm sorry too, for not putting a wink in.

I think at times people were simply too busy to guess clues. ;)

EDIT: Indis was actually RIGHT?

[Nerwen]

i'm sorry too, for not putting a wink in.

I think at times people were simply too busy to guess clues. ;)

edit: Indis was actually right?
:d

[Pervinca Took]

Maeglin is an anagram of 'lame gin.' But 'lame' isn't really 'confused.' I wonder if we need 'mull,' though - perhaps it can be any alcohol that warms you up ... rum - but I tried rum first and Rumil isn't unpleasant, as far as I know. ;)

[Nerwen]

It's "the act of heating alcohol", not "a heating alcohol".

[Pervinca Took]

1. Heating alcohol confuses unpleasant character.

GOLFIMBUL is the only 'villain' name I can find that contains the word 'mull.' I thought it contained 'foil,' to, for 'confuses,' but the two l's are already used. Otherwise I'd have said mull + foil + b (a character/letter). There is 'fob,' but it leaves two characters/letters, not one.

The only other word I know for heating alcohol is 'burn,' but only as used by Sir Toby Belch: 'Come, let's burn some sack; 'tis too late to go to bed now.'

[Nerwen]

You need a word for heating liquid. The alcohol part is separate.

[Pervinca Took]

Lobelia, from 'boil ale?'

Which I guess makes it Lalaith ... and maybe Haleth (hale = fighting fit).

Edit: Oh! 'Health.'

[Galadriel55]

Wow. That was sudden. :confused:

Yay! :D

I've been looking through female villainous creatures for the unpleasant character. Didn't think of Lobelia at all, though she fits the description much better!

PS: Pervinca, your password must have taken that long because you weren't around to hammer down the critical clues. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

I thought of Lobelia quite early on, but I thought we needed 'mull' in the answer, so was stumped for a long time.

Perhaps I should have held back and just volunteered one clue at a time. :( I thought the 'fighting fit' clue was Nerwen, actually - a near-anagram of 'renew' - because Galadriel is so strong.

[Galadriel55]

Perhaps I should have held back and just volunteered one clue at a time. :(

No, that was brilliant! And posting is always better than holding back.

I thought the 'fighting fit' clue was Nerwen, actually - a near-anagram of 'renew' - because Galadriel is so strong.

I somehow reserved all Galadriel-related names for the Radiant Maiden, and when none of them fit I discarded her completely until you brought up Altariel for the other clue. I was on the verge of guessing Nerwen for that one because 'new' can kinda be related to contemporaneity, but it didn't make enough sense (and no wonder, cause it's completely off).

[Pervinca Took]

I was very impressed by your solving of 'Luthien' and the one with 'trail' in it. I would not have got either of those.

[Galadriel55]

I was very impressed by your solving of 'Luthien' and the one with 'trail' in it. I would not have got either of those.

Thanks! :o I got both by working back from the straight clue though. Guess I'm not that good at the cryptic part, or very rusty. :D

[Pervinca Took]

I got very frustrated with a new book of cryptic crosswords I was trying out before I went to sleep last night. I love cryptic clues, but I am not very good at finishing cryptic crosswords. But then they often don't cater for every single part of the clue ... either that or I simply AM very bad at them. :p

[Ivriniel]

I got very frustrated with a new book of cryptic crosswords I was trying out before I went to sleep last night. I love cryptic clues, but I am not very good at finishing cryptic crosswords. But then they often don't cater for every single part of the clue ... either that or I simply AM very bad at them. :p


Please make a downward comparison :) I'm MUCH worse at them, so a post for your self esteem ahahhahah as that's about how competent I am at this very strange but fun thread. It's not that I'm stupid, and it's okay to be dumb (dumb means 'pre-aural' and is where the emotion, awe, traces to, so as we say 'it's only a fool who's never been a fool'.

I will try, again, to see if I can make myself a useful citizen on this thread and learn how to be an interesting gamer.

Hope you are well, Pervinca, and feel free to indulge my masochistic side, by humiliating me (hahaha by simply agreeing with my idiocy).

Hope you have been well.

Iv

[Nerwen]

Congratulations, Pervinca!:cool:

Pity Urwen couldn't be here, though, isn't it?:(

Anyway, over to you!

[Pervinca Took]

I have a brother who is very bright but doesn't get cryptic clues at all - says his mind just doesn't work that way. Thanks for the well wishes, Ivriniel. Hope you are well, too.

Is Urwen not around at the moment, Nerwen?

Thanks for a great password and for reviving the thread, anyway.

[Nerwen]

I have a brother who is very bright but doesn't get cryptic clues at all - says his mind just doesn't work that way. Thanks for the well wishes, Ivriniel. Hope you are well, too.

Is Urwen not around at the moment, Nerwen?
No- I've trying to get her to return and give us some feedback on her riddle. And why do you think I made "Lalaith" the answer?;):Merisu:

[Pervinca Took]

:(

Ivriniel, Nerwen, Galadriel, Mithalwen and anyone else out there, try this one:

1. He sounds equine, and a damn fine one!
2. It’s a troubled path to the behoofed one.
3. He spins the chamber, adding note.
4. This flower would beautify, indeed.

[Nerwen]

#2 is surely "Arod" (anagram of "road").

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. :)

1. He sounds equine, and a damn fine one!
AROD: It’s a troubled path to the behoofed one.
3. He spins the chamber, adding note.
4. This flower would beautify, indeed.

[Nerwen]

And is #3 by any chance "Oromë"? (Anagram of "room" plus musical note "E").

[Pervinca Took]

Indeed.

1. He sounds equine, and a damn fine one!
AROD: It’s a troubled path to the behoofed one.
OROME: He spins the chamber, adding note.
4. This flower would beautify, indeed.

[Nerwen]

And could #4 be the River Adorn?

[Pervinca Took]

Yup!

1. He sounds equine, and a damn fine one!
AROD: It’s a troubled path to the behoofed one.
OROME: He spins the chamber, adding note.
ADORN: This flower would beautify, indeed.

[Nerwen]

Hmmn. Now #1 has me puzzled. I'm thinking the clue suggests a name shared between a person and a horse, but I can't make any passwords out of "Bill" or "Strider".

A hint, perhaps?:Merisu:

[Pervinca Took]

That's a good idea, Nerwen, but the horsey bit is only the cryptic part of the clue. Note the word 'sounds.' ;)

Another hint ... the second half of the clue refers to a very upper/middle class English saying.

[Nerwen]

'Nother clue?:Merisu:

I mean I'm sure it's something blindingly obvious and I'm going to feel like an idiot...:rolleyes:

[Mithalwen]

The only thing I could think of that might be upper class expression would be Jolly. But I can't make Jolly Cotton work.

[Pervinca Took]

But you wouldn't call someone a damn fine Jolly ....

;)

[Pervinca Took]

Think of all the horse-related words you know, until you find one that sounds like a 'he.'

[Nerwen]

Horse-related..... Hmmn.

How about "Bard" = equine armour, making the password "Arod" (again)? But I don't see how that would relate to the second part of the clue. Unless the English upper class are in the unlikely habit of referring to one another as "a damn fine bard.":confused:

If it's not that... I think I'm going to be trawling through hobbit family trees, to see if there's anyone called Bronco Bracegirdle, or whatever.:rolleyes:

[Pervinca Took]

The answer isn't a hobbit. It's a he - but the 'equine' element is actually used in an upper class English saying to refer to an attractive *lady/young woman.*

[Nerwen]

Well, I thought of Fili ("filly") a while back, but I can't make a word out of that...

[Pervinca Took]

Fili is correct.

The password isn't always the initial letters. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

FILI: He sounds equine, and a damn fine one!
AROD: It’s a troubled path to the behoofed one.
OROME: He spins the chamber, adding note.
ADORN: This flower would beautify, indeed.

[Nerwen]

Fili is correct.

The password isn't always the initial letters. ;)
I know... but the only thing I can see in there at all is "Fror", and that would be a pretty left-field password given the clues!

Again, it's probably something ridiculously obvious that I'm just not seeing...

[Pervinca Took]

Why on earth would FROR be a left-field password? The password usually has nothing to do with the individual clues.

FROR it is. I didn't want to write a long one because I was pushed for time and no longer had a store of ones I'd made earlier.

Well solved, and over to you. :)

FILI: He sounds equine, and a damn fine one!
AROD: It’s a troubled path to the behoofed one.
OROME: He spins the chamber, adding note.
ADORN: This flower would beautify, indeed.

[Nerwen]

Why on earth would FROR be a left-field password? The password usually has nothing to do with the individual clues.

FROR it is. I didn't want to write a long one because I was pushed for time and no longer had a store of ones I'd made earlier.

Well solved, and over to you. :)
What? You mean I worked out the answer days ago and rejected it?

Thing is, I know the password doesn't have to have anything to do with the clues, but given they all fitted a theme, I assumed the answer just had to be horse-related in some way.:o

[Pervinca Took]

Only two of the clues were horsey, and only one of the answers. The puzzle was nearly as dwarvish as it was equine. ;)

[Nerwen]

Ah, but I made it three answers: a horse, a rider, and a river on the border of
Horsetopia. Was that just coincidence?

[Pervinca Took]

Complete coincidence. I'd forgotten where the Adorn was.

[Nerwen]

Well... I don't know what to say. I guess we must put it down to the human tendency to see patterns in things.:confused:

[Nerwen]

1. From a very, very ancient and distant farmer's link with a disordered hobbit feast, a fabled wrangler of small carnivores emerges.
2. From beginning to end, go backwards to find a (somewhat) charitable fellow with a tendency to lose his head in a crisis.
3. I warmed milk, mixed well to find a sobriquet for a lordly victim of fatal misunderstanding.
4. Take note from troubled vision- a Maia's bane is revealed.
5. Sounds like that distant farmer's nephew followed an angry caveman, to find one of Middle-earth's leading gourmands.
6. Cry Havoc (but without Latin call- it is imperative!) and summon a chaotic horde.
7. Add second option to a turbulent Hebraic Mandos, discover a great lady.

[Pervinca Took]

Well... I don't know what to say. I guess we must put it down to the human tendency to see patterns in things.:confused:

You did extremely well! And you guessed it really early - and all the clues. You were just being a lot more clever than I was.

To prove this further, I was not thinking of Orome on horseback. I know he's the huntsman of the Valar, but I didn't think of a Vala needing a horse - but I googled him after what you said, and there he was, astride a white horse.

------------------------------------------------
4. Could 4 be GRIMA - Saruman's bane - 'troubled' mirage minus the note E?

1. As cats are small carnivores, I wondered about BERUTHIEL for 1 - and her name does include 'Lithe' disordered. I don't know the name of the distant farmer, though. Eru is distant and very ancient, but is Eru as a metaphorical farmer pushing it? I wondered if the rest of the letters might come from a god connected with farming from Greek mythology, or something. But I don't know of one who fits the remaining letters.

6. YRCH - take voca (Latin imperative for 'call') from Cry Havoc - and orcs/yrch would be a chaotic horde. (Although it puts the kibosh on my idea of Bauglir for the password!)

7. CANNOT be SHELOB, can it - SHEOL (Old Testament underworld) plus B as in 'plan B = 2nd option?'

[Nerwen]

You did extremely well! And you guessed it really early - and all the clues. You were just being a lot more clever than I was.

To prove this further, I was not thinking of Orome on horseback. I know he's the huntsman of the Valar, but I didn't think of a Vala needing a horse - but I googled him after what you said, and there he was, astride a white horse.

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4. Could 4 be GRIMA - Saruman's bane - 'troubled' mirage minus the note E?

1. As cats are small carnivores, I wondered about BERUTHIEL for 1 - and her name does include 'Lithe' disordered. I don't know the name of the distant farmer, though. Eru is distant and very ancient, but is Eru as a metaphorical farmer pushing it? I wondered if the rest of the letters might come from a god connected with farming from Greek mythology, or something. But I don't know of one who fits the remaining letters.

6. YRCH - take voca (Latin imperative for 'call') from Cry Havoc - and orcs/yrch would be a chaotic horde. (Although it puts the kibosh on my idea of Bauglir for the password!)

7. CANNOT be SHELOB, can it - SHEOL (Old Testament underworld) plus B as in 'plan B = 2nd option?'
You are too good! All correct.:cool:

For "Beruthiel"- the "farmer" is indeed from an external source, but nothing so highbrow as Greek mythology. Hint: what is a more colloquial way of saying something is "ancient and distant"?

[Nerwen]

BERUTHIEL: From a very, very ancient and distant farmer's link with a disordered hobbit feast, a fabled wrangler of small carnivores emerges.
2. From beginning to end, go backwards to find a (somewhat) charitable fellow with a tendency to lose his head in a crisis.
3. I warmed milk, mixed well to find a sobriquet for a lordly victim of fatal misunderstanding.
GRIMA: Take note from troubled vision- a Maia's bane is revealed.
5. Sounds like that distant farmer's nephew followed an angry caveman, to find one of Middle-earth's leading gourmands.
YRCH: Cry Havoc (but without Latin call- it is imperative!) and summon a chaotic horde.
SHELOB: Add second option to a turbulent Hebraic Mandos, discover a great lady.

[Pervinca Took]

Not uber?

I think you meant to put Shelob as the answer, not Sheol?

(Not being pettish - it's past midnight over here and I'm starting to yawn and mix things up myself). Thanks for some great clues ... the remaining 3 are very challenging and I must go to bed now!

[Nerwen]

Not uber?
You mean the "farmer"? No, it's a person.

I think you meant to put Shelob as the answer, not Sheol?
Yes I did!:o

[Pervinca Took]

Please put me out of my misery about where the letters BERU in the Beruthiel answer come from! I am flummoxed, bewuthered and confusticated. ;)

[Nerwen]

Please put me out of my misery about where the letters BERU in the Beruthiel answer come from! I am flummoxed, bewuthered and confusticated. ;)
Aw, come on, Pervinca it's not even obscure.:rolleyes: I mean I had to work out your "Hitchhiker's" references...

Look: it's a character in one of "our" rival SF&F fandoms... who was a farmer in an ANCIENT and DISTANT time and place and who had a nephew... (not to mention a niece who appeared in a clue a couple of pages back). Think, Pervinca!. Or you could just google it...:rolleyes:

[Pervinca Took]

I do not really read science fiction. 3 HG Wellses and 2001 A Space Odyssey are about it, unless you count Brave New World and a few dystopias. And the first Terry Pratchet. I only like Hitchhikers because it is comedic. And I don't retain much from what I have read of it. I don't like it as a genre; it does very little for me. And I've only seen the 70's Star Wars films once, and apart from that only the Anakin one.

None of the Star Wars characters whose names I know give me the letters I am looking for.

So :rolleyes: back at you, matey!

[Nerwen]

I do not really read science fiction. 3 HG Wellses and 2001 A Space Odyssey are about it, unless you count Brave New World and a few dystopias. And the first Terry Pratchet. I only like Hitchhikers because it is comedic. And I don't retain much from what I have read of it. I don't like it as a genre; it does very little for me. And I've only seen the 70's Star Wars films once, and apart from that only the Anakin one.

None of the Star Wars characters whose names I know give me the letters I am looking for.

So :rolleyes: back at you, matey!
Well, gosh, I had you all figured as a sci-fi nerd.:rolleyes:

May the Force be with you... (http://www.starwars.com/databank/beru-lars)

[Galadriel55]

I am have as active as I should like, and less than half as active as the thread deserves. I read the posts, but don't have much chance of fiddling with clues.

But only idea that came to me was UGLUK for 5, for Star Wars reasons.

[Nerwen]

I am have as active as I should like, and less than half as active as the thread deserves. I read the posts, but don't have much chance of fiddling with clues.

But only idea that came to me was UGLUK for 5, for Star Wars reasons.
Correct. I was starting to get worried about that one...

[Nerwen]

BERUTHIEL: From a very, very ancient and distant farmer's link with a disordered hobbit feast, a fabled wrangler of small carnivores emerges.
2. From beginning to end, go backwards to find a (somewhat) charitable fellow with a tendency to lose his head in a crisis.
3. I warmed milk, mixed well to find a sobriquet for a lordly victim of fatal misunderstanding.
GRIMA: Take note from troubled vision- a Maia's bane is revealed.
UGLUK: Sounds like that distant farmer's nephew followed an angry caveman, to find one of Middle-earth's leading gourmands.
YRCH: Cry Havoc (but without Latin call- it is imperative!) and summon a chaotic horde.
SHELOB: Add second option to a turbulent Hebraic Mandos, discover a great lady.

[Pervinca Took]

2. Unconfidently going to suggest Denethor because it begins with sort of 'end' backwards and he sort of loses his head in a crisis. Although I think a dwarf was cruelly beheaded once, I can't remember his name.

Hang on ... is the password BAD GUYS?

[Pervinca Took]

3. DWIMMERLAIK! Finally managed to unscramble it. Perhaps the fatal misunderstanding was of what one of the Nine Rings would do to him?

Edit: and I guess it was a fatal misunderstanding because it concerned (im)mortality.

2. I think ADANEDHEL, because Turin does lose his head in a crisis, but can't completely account for the letters. 'Fellow' could possibly be lad or adan - head is in there as well - and Turin is somewhat charitable ....

[Nerwen]

3. DWIMMERLAIK! Finally managed to unscramble it. Perhaps the fatal misunderstanding was of what one of the Nine Rings would do to him?

Edit: and I guess it was a fatal misunderstanding because it concerned (im)mortality.

2. I think ADANEDHEL, because Turin does lose his head in a crisis, but can't completely account for the letters. 'Fellow' could possibly be lad or adan - head is in there as well - and Turin is somewhat charitable ....

Yes, the password is BAD GUYS, and #3. is DWIMMERLAIK, and yes, the "fatal misunderstanding" refers to Glorfindel's prophecy. Well done!

#2. is not ADANEDHEL.

The person in question-

-lived much later than Turin
-was more of a straight bad guy than the conflicted Mormegil
-was not a major character (but played a significant historical role).

The clues are all rather literal. "Somewhat generous" and "losing his head in a crisis" refer to specific happenings, not general character traits.

[Nerwen]

I will give out more clues if needed, so we can wind this up. And Pervinca, sorry about the "Beru" thing.:Merisu:

[Pervinca Took]

Hey, no worries. :) One thing I love about this thread is the new things I learn from it.

I will now look again at your clues and get my thinking cap on.

I don't remember the warning of Glorfindel to the Nine ... is this in UT or HOME, or do you mean his appearance at the Ford as 'an Elf-lord revealed in his wrath?'

EDIT: Your clues rule out a couple of other ideas I had for the answer. The best guess that leaves me with is AZOG, although he takes a head rather than losing one (Thror was the beheaded dwarf - I couldn't remember whether he was so close in kin to Thorin). Maybe Azog loses his head as well? And maybe Goza means something? He would fit the 'later than 1st age and minor but quite important' criteria. Plus he's an 'unconflicted bad guy,' as far as I know.

Hmmmm ... the Urban Dictionary tells me that a goza is 1. A madman, or 2. A nice guy who occasionally acts like a troll. Other than that, it is also the name of a village in Pakistan and the Spanish for 'enjoy.'

[Nerwen]

Hey, no worries. :) One thing I love about this thread is the new things I learn from it.

I will now look again at your clues and get my thinking cap on.

I don't remember the warning of Glorfindel to the Nine ... is this in UT or HOME, or do you mean his appearance at the Ford as 'an Elf-lord revealed in his wrath?'
Glorfindel makes the "not by the hand of man shall he fall" prophecy (to Earnur, the last king of Gondor). (LotR Appendix A: The Numenorean Kings: The Realms in Exile: The Southern Line: Heirs of Anarion).

EDIT: Your clues rule out a couple of other ideas I had for the answer. The best guess that leaves me with is AZOG, although he takes a head rather than losing one (Thror was the beheaded dwarf - I couldn't remember whether he was so close in kin to Thorin). Maybe Azog loses his head as well? And maybe Goza means something? He would fit the 'later than 1st age and minor but quite important' criteria. Plus he's an 'unconflicted bad guy,' as far as I know.

Synopsis, key parts bolded:

Thror was Thorin's grandfather, who (being by then a little touched in the head) tried to re-enter the goblin-occupied Moria with a companion called Nar. Azog chopped Thror's head off, branded his own name on his forehead and mockingly threw the "beggar-beard" Nar a small bag containing "a few coins of little worth" as his "fee" (for giving Thror's family the message that Azog was king in Moria). This sparked the War of the Dwarves and the Orcs, which culminated in the Battle of Azunalbizar (aka Dimrill Dale and Nanduhirion) in which Azog was beheaded by Dain as the Dwarves of the Iron Hills turned the tide of battle. (Appendix A: Durin's Folk).

Hmmmm ... the Urban Dictionary tells me that a goza is 1. A madman, or 2. A nice guy who occasionally acts like a troll. Other than that, it is also the name of a village in Pakistan and the Spanish for 'enjoy.'
No, that's not it. Since you have the answer anyway, I will explain the "how to" part of the clue if you like. It is actually very simple and literal, though- you might want to have another try just for fun.

[Nerwen]

BERUTHIEL: From a very, very ancient and distant farmer's link with a disordered hobbit feast, a fabled wrangler of small carnivores emerges.
AZOG: From beginning to end, go backwards to find a (somewhat) charitable fellow with a tendency to lose his head in a crisis.:cool:
DWIMMERLAIK: I warmed milk, mixed well to find a sobriquet for a lordly victim of fatal misunderstanding.
GRIMA: Take note from troubled vision- a Maia's bane is revealed.
UGLUK: Sounds like that distant farmer's nephew followed an angry caveman, to find one of Middle-earth's leading gourmands.
YRCH: Cry Havoc (but without Latin call- it is imperative!) and summon a chaotic horde.
SHELOB: Add second option to a turbulent Hebraic Mandos, discover a great lady.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah! I see. A-Z is 'from beginning to end' (I used my London A-Z yesterday - can't get along with Google Maps!), and then the word 'go' backwards?

Thanks for the synopsis, and also for some smashing clues (my favourite was the Dwimmerlaik one). I really did think they were impossible when I first saw them! Also big kudos for the thematic link. I find it very difficult to do that when composing a password. I think the only time I managed it was one where all the answers were Tooks. (EDIT: and my 'Ringbearers with an added loophole' one, but that was because Galadriel had just done a very similar one and given me the idea).

Big kudos to Galadriel for solving UGLUK, too.

[Nerwen]

Ah! I see. A-Z is 'from beginning to end' (I used my London A-Z yesterday - can't get along with Google Maps!), and then the word 'go' backwards?
That's it!

Thanks for the synopsis, and also for some smashing clues. I really did think they were impossible when I first saw them! Also big kudos for the thematic link. I find it very difficult to do that when composing a password. I think the only time I managed it was one where all the answers were Tooks.And last time, just not on purpose...;)

Big kudos to Galadriel for solving UGLUK, too. Yes- that was a very, very silly clue, and, consequently, perhaps rather difficult to solve.

Over to you!:smokin:

[Pervinca Took]

Here you go! :)

1. Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
3. Belly overstuffed in the valley?
4. She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

[Nerwen]

Would #4 be ANNATAR? "she runs back and forth" = palindromic female name + "sailor" = "tar"?

[Pervinca Took]

Indeed it would! It was my second choice for your 'Azog' clue once I realised it would start with A but before you added the extra hints; he's certainly a bad guy and I wondered if the beginning and ending bit was a palindrome indicator. I was going to post this reasoning, but then realised if I didn't I could make my own clue out of it. ;) Although I also thought the beginning and end AND bad guy elements might have had something to do with the 'rat' backwards at the end.

1. Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
3. Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

[Nerwen]

Indeed it would! It was my second choice for your 'Azog' clue once I realised it would start with A but before you added the extra hints; he's certainly a bad guy and I wondered if the beginning and ending bit was a palindrome indicator. I was going to post this reasoning, but then realised if I didn't I could make my own clue out of it. ;) Although I also thought the beginning and end AND bad guy elements might have had something to do with the 'rat' backwards at the end.

1. Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
3. Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!
As it happens, I had considered "Annatar" for the "A" clue.

So, I'm thinking #3. is TUMLADEN- "tum" (belly) + "laden" (overstuffed).

No idea on the others yet.

[Pervinca Took]

Correct! :)

1. Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
TUMLADEN: Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

Nerwen, what was the 'charitable fellow' aspect of Azog?

EDIT: If anyone has any 'thoughts so far' on 1 or 2, just post them and I'll give a hint. 2 is a little obscure, but not unfindable; 1 is not obscure.

[Morsul the Dark]

If I'm close I'll be excited...

1. Mirkwood.

Venture Untrouth
Go-lie
Goliath
Note well, so remember the story of Goliath

Place of webs
So somewhere with spiders.

I only remember one instance of a diminutive ($5 word for me) hero fending off spiders with stones...


PS: I may or may not have accidentally hit report instead of reply... I think I backed out before it sent but... my report was this comment... posting from phone yay.

[Pervinca Took]

Hi, Morsul! :) Did you use to post in this thread a few years ago? I have a feeling the first password I tried to solve here was one of yours!


Excellent try and nice reasoning.

You have given the correct synonym for untruth: LIE = three of the letters of the clue.

You need a different synonym for venture.

Nothing to do with Goliath and Goliath is no element of the puzzle.

'Note well' is just a way of garnering some more letters. ;) (Huge hint!)

Not Mirkwood. Another hint ... perhaps I should have said (to make it easier) 'There *were* webs of horror.' ;) As a Tolkien character does ....

[Nerwen]

Correct! :)

1. Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
TUMLADEN: Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

Nerwen, what was the 'charitable fellow' aspect of Azog?
The first bolded bit in my synopsis. "Somewhat" because a.) he threw Nar coins "of little worth" and b.) it was done ironically.

EDIT: If anyone has any 'thoughts so far' on 1 or 2, just post them and I'll give a hint. 2 is a little obscure, but not unfindable; 1 is not obscure.
I'm wondering about the possible meanings of "swinger"...

For #1, I am going to tentatively guess BELERIAND, which does contain "lie", and did contain some nasty arachnids- and IIRC is what's being specifically referenced in your latest quote. "B" or "A" or "E" could be the notes, but I'm not sure how the "venture" part comes into it.

I also, by the way, looked at specific places in Beleriand and had a laugh about how over-the-top Tolkien's Eeevil location names can be: "Take a hike through the Forest Under Nightshade, over the Mountains of Terror and down into the Valley of Dreadful Death..."

[Nerwen]

Wild(ish) guess: is the password AULË (diagonally from bottom right to top left)?

[Pervinca Took]

BELERIAND: Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
- - L?????: Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
TUMLADEN: Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

I wondered if you might see Aule from the bottom two answers. :)

I am so sorry for not being attentive enough re. the Azog synopsis.

'Come! Let us see what Sting can do. It is an elven-blade. There were webs of horror in Beleriand where it was forged. But you must be the guard and hold back the eyes. Take the star-glass and do not be afraid. Hold it up! Watch!'

I hear Ian Holm's voice when I imagine those words, even though the sentence about Beleriand and the webs of horror was cut from his speech.

See if you can work out where the other letters come from ... it's not musical notes, but something we used a lot when writing notes when I was at school, as an abbreviation of 'note well.'

Have a think about the 'venture' synonym ... I'll give the clue that it's a more 'adventurous' verb than the 'go' that Morsul suggested.

SWINGER- I was pleased at how that sounded in the clue, although it isn't something with all the different possible answers that something like 'flower' or 'bloomer' or 'spanner' suggests. And I give the further clue that it's nothing to do with wife-swapping elves. ;) Try to think of something that swings.

AULE, as you correctly guessed, is the password. :)

[Nerwen]

Oh, of course! "N.B." and "dare"! How did I not see that before?:rolleyes:

[Pervinca Took]

They're always easy when you know the answer. ;)

Or, 'Absurdly simple, like most riddles when you see the answer.'

[Pervinca Took]

So - any ideas for the final clue? Shall I post a hint?

2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.

[Nerwen]

So - any ideas for the final clue? Shall I post a hint?

2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
Yes, I think a hint may be in order.:Merisu:

[Morsul the Dark]

I know this is wrong but maybe it'll spark a thought for someone else.

I see swinger and immediately think Banadobras Took the hobbit that invented golf
(Golf swing)

Edit: PS Yes I used to be very active here ages ago(for a while I had highest posts per day.)

[Nerwen]

I know this is wrong but maybe it'll spark a thought for someone else.

I see swinger and immediately think Banadobras Took the hobbit that invented golf
(Golf swing)

Edit: PS Yes I used to be very active here ages ago(for a while I had highest posts per day.)

The answer has to have "L" as the third letter.

[Ivriniel]

So - any ideas for the final clue? Shall I post a hint?

2. Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.

Hi Nerwen and Pevrinca. I am very dumb about this game, but I'll pop in to say hello, and make a very bad attempt at answering.

Mandos

[Nerwen]

Hi Nerwen and Pevrinca. I am very dumb about this game, but I'll pop in to say hello, and make a very bad attempt at answering.

Mandos
No "L".

[Nerwen]

Ivrin, the clue is a list of instructions, basically. I just haven't managed to come up with an answer that works.

I wonder if Morsul is right and "Brandobas" is part of the clue...

[Morsul the Dark]

I knew it was wrong because of the spelling it was just what came to mind and I figured it might help but I'm not sure

[Pervinca Took]

Good idea, but the 'swinger' is the cryptic bit, designed to give you most of the letters, and is not in itself a character.

Start with someTHING that swings ... the etymology of the word perhaps suggests that it hangs rather than swings, but we associate the word, I think, more with swinging, even though it does both.

[Nerwen]

Good idea, but the 'swinger' is the cryptic bit, designed to give you most of the letters, and is not in itself a character.

Start with someTHING that swings ... the etymology of the word perhaps suggests that it hangs rather than swings, but we associate the word, I think, more with swinging, even though it does both.
From your statement re: etymology I think you must mean "pendulum" for the first part...

[Pervinca Took]

Yes! Start off with pendulum.

BELERIAND: Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
- - L?????: Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
TUMLADEN: Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

[Morsul the Dark]

At this point I'm just trying to help Nerwen...

Loses hesitation in a spin. So anagram and take away the P? P for pause

[Nerwen]

At this point I'm just trying to help Nerwen...

Loses hesitation in a spin. So anagram and take away the P? P for pause
They don't usually work that way. It'll be something that actually means, or indicates "hesitation". Could just be the "um" part.

[Nerwen]

Let's try... PELENDUR

Pendulum ("swinger") - "Um..." (hesitation) + R.E. for Religious Education?

[Morsul the Dark]

Pallando

Pendulum-euum
Find religion Alla

Pallando

Reveal him because the Blau wizards were lost.

Did I mention I'm just the best at these? Hopefully Nerwen is right.

[Ivriniel]

Pallando

Pendulum-euum
Find religion Alla

Pallando

Reveal him because the Blau wizards were lost.

Did I mention I'm just the best at these? Hopefully Nerwen is right.

:) I'd never have solved it. I am reading, though Pevrinca and Nerwen, and learning as I read.

Cheers

[Pervinca Took]

BELERIAND: Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
PELENDUR: Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
TUMLADEN: Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

Let's try... PELENDUR

Pendulum ("swinger") - "Um..." (hesitation) + R.E. for Religious Education?

Exactly right. Over to Nerwen! :)

[Ivriniel]

BELERIAND: Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
PELENDUR: Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
TUMLADEN: Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

Let's try... PELENDUR

Pendulum ("swinger") - "Um..." (hesitation) + R.E. for Religious Education?

Exactly right. Over to Nerwen! :)

I understand three of the four...could I trouble someone to explain Beleriand?

[Pervinca Took]

BELERIAND: Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!

The straight part of the clue is at the end, and comes from the fact that there were webs of giant spiders in the land of BELERIAND. Frodo uses these exact three words (just prefaced by the past tense) to Sam when they are trapped in Shelob's Lair and the Lady's Phial shows that it is thick spiders' webs that are in their way:

'Come! Let us see what Sting can do. It is an elven-blade. There were webs of horror in Beleriand where it was forged. But you must be the guard and hold back the eyes. Take the star-glass and do not be afraid. Hold it up! Watch!'

So from the first part of the clue, we need to collect the right letters to end up with BELERIAND.

To 'venture' is to DARE.
An 'untruth' is a LIE.
The Latin for 'note well' is 'nota bene,' which is commonly abbreviated as NB and used in taking notes to flag up something that is very important to remember.

DARE + LIE + NB - and 'be troubled' is the anagram indicator, which means you have to trouble/mix/scramble those letters to end up with the answer. (Other words that indicate an anagram are spin/confuse(d)/muddle(d), etc.)

EDIT - I didn't know this would start a new page, so just to say that Nerwen was correct and it is now her go! (As posted on the last page).

[Ivriniel]

BELERIAND: Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!

The straight part of the clue is at the end, and comes from the fact that there were webs of giant spiders in the land of BELERIAND. Frodo uses these exact three words (just prefaced by the past tense) to Sam when they are trapped in Shelob's Lair and the Lady's Phial shows that it is thick spiders' webs that are in their way:

'Come! Let us see what Sting can do. It is an elven-blade. There were webs of horror in Beleriand where it was forged. But you must be the guard and hold back the eyes. Take the star-glass and do not be afraid. Hold it up! Watch!'

So from the first part of the clue, we need to collect the right letters to end up with BELERIAND.

To 'venture' is to DARE.
An 'untruth' is a LIE.
The Latin for 'note well' is 'nota bene,' which is commonly abbreviated as NB and used in taking notes to flag up something that is very important to remember.

DARE + LIE + NB - and 'be troubled' is the anagram indicator, which means you have to trouble/mix/scramble those letters to end up with the answer. (Other words that indicate an anagram are spin/confuse(d)/muddle(d), etc.)

EDIT - I didn't know this would start a new page, so just to say that Nerwen was correct and it is now her go! (As posted on the last page).

Very kind, thank you.

And I am agog hahahah at the clue. Not in one million years would I have solved it.

I recall Taur Nu Fuin was where 'webs' were and in the shadow lands of the mountains....that was after Angrod and Aegnor fell after the Ninaeth what's it call Arnodiad I think....

Cheers, I'll stay tuned and see how we go

[Ivriniel]

I studied it very hard hahaha (the guests just left) and I can see how the clue makes sense. There's the 'clue bit' about literals (webs of horror) and anagram mish mash stuff...the "NB" hahaha sorry, I DON'T see where nota bene came into it, except


EA!

hahahaha thanks for the assitance

[Nerwen]

BELERIAND: Venture untruth and note well: be troubled, for here be webs of horror!
PELENDUR: Swinger loses hesitation in a spin, but gets religion to reveal him.
TUMLADEN: Belly overstuffed in the valley?
ANNATAR: She runs back and forth to meet a sailor; a most fair-seeming one!

Let's try... PELENDUR

Pendulum ("swinger") - "Um..." (hesitation) + R.E. for Religious Education?

Exactly right. Over to Nerwen! :)
Thank you! Took me long enough!:rolleyes:

[Pervinca Took]

Well, it's one of those names from the Appendices that you have to look up. Not an easy or obvious one.

Thanks to your revival of this thread, I have caught the bug again and have been scribbling more clues. :)

Over to you.

[Nerwen]

Okay, I'll have the next one up shortly.

In the meantime, the latest Werewolf game (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=706660&postcount=1) is still short two players. Would either of you care try your hand (or paw)?

[Pervinca Took]

I won't have time for a couple of weeks, I'm afraid. :( I know that might sound hypocritical, when I am posting so much here, but cryptic clues are a sort of addiction to me, which I manage to slot in somehow ... is the werewolf game a role play game? I have never played one of those.

[Ivriniel]

I won't have time for a couple of weeks, I'm afraid. :( I know that might sound hypocritical, when I am posting so much here, but cryptic clues are a sort of addiction to me, which I manage to slot in somehow ... is the werewolf game a role play game? I have never played one of those.

Nerwen, hahaha I'll no doubt require the entire fortnight to solve ur riddle, but I promise to try really hard and post regularly until Pevrinca returns.

[Pervinca Took]

Hi Ivriniel! I meant that I will continue to post in this thread and try to solve the clues/password, but that I won't have time for the werewolf game as well.

Maybe you understand role play games better than me and can teach me? ;) When I have time to participate in one.

[Nerwen]

I won't have time for a couple of weeks, I'm afraid. :( I know that might sound hypocritical, when I am posting so much here, but cryptic clues are a sort of addiction to me, which I manage to slot in somehow ... is the werewolf game a role play game? I have never played one of those.
Sort of. And sort of a weird sub-culture, on this site. This (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=638808&postcount=3) may give you the general flavour.:smokin:

[Nerwen]

Sorry for the delay- I've been busy the last few days. This one should be nice and easy.

1. Fabled vessel and preposition mingle, with monumental results.
2. A short chieftain tumbled, here.
3. Attempt bargain. Stir up to disclose observant member of Beleg club.
4. Await continental upheaval. May not be over your head.
5. Being sensational- disturb to reveal him.
6. Hunter adds a touch of Spain to find her- and it.

[Ivriniel]

No problem lovely :)

Now, [note to self] HAHAHA Stavros, ur going to have fun making an idiot of yourself[/Note to self]

Thanx Nerwen for the Riddle.....please be patient as I make a series of no doubt, idiotic suggestions, but I am chuckling as I type...

Hope ur well by the way :)

[Nerwen]

No problem lovely :)

Now, [note to self] HAHAHA Stavros, ur going to have fun making an idiot of yourself[/Note to self]

Thanx Nerwen for the Riddle.....please be patient as I make a series of no doubt, idiotic suggestions, but I am chuckling as I type...

Hope ur well by the way :)
I am, thankyou. And you?

[Ivriniel]

I am, thankyou. And you?

I am very well, Nerwen and smiling at the end of my day here, while I tidy up some written work due soon. It's winter here, but we've had spectacular sunshine.

I'll ponder your riddle and post shortly...if not tonight, then tomorrow, and best regards to you.

[Nerwen]

Just to help everyone out- none of the answers to this one are particularly obscure, and there is a connection between them, although rather an odd one.

[Nerwen]

Winter! Ah, you must be from Far Harad too?:smokin:

[Ivriniel]

Just to help everyone out- none of the answers to this one are particularly obscure, and there is a connection between them, although rather an odd one.

Very good of you to go easy....I've had a look, and I've got some ideas about some of them.....(but then again, if you've seen my 'ideas' hahaha upstream, .....)

Back soon

[Mithalwen]

Is the first one Argonath? they are certainly monumental and the word could be broken down into ARGO - Jason's ship and an anagram of THAN which I suppose is a preposition.

[Nerwen]

Yep!:)

ARGONATH Fabled vessel and preposition mingle, with monumental results.
2. A short chieftain tumbled, here.
3. Attempt bargain. Stir up to disclose observant member of Beleg club.
4. Await continental upheaval. May not be over your head.
5. Being sensational- disturb to reveal him.
6. Hunter adds a touch of Spain to find her- and it.

[Pervinca Took]

That's clever! I was trying to use Vingilot as a vessel, as I couldn't think of any other Middle-earth ships with names.

2. I don't think this is right, but a chieftain is a leader, and if you shorten leader to lead it is an anagram of DALE.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I thought of arc first. I suppose I thought our world first because Vingilot isn't exactly a fable within the context of ME

[Pervinca Took]

I was thinking 'fabled' in the loose sense of known/famous. Earendil's was quite a story.

Quite flummoxed on the rest of the clues!

[Mithalwen]

I don't know it was one of those that came quickly. I just thought arc first then wondered if there were a character Arcon then thought oh not it is Argon... and then it was simple..apart from not being instantly sure if than counted as a preposistion.

Anyway I have ideas about elements but not to point of guessing yet.

[Pervinca Took]

6. NIMRODEL. Nimrod = hunter, plus the Spanish word el. Nimrodel is a woman (her) as well as a thing (a river), (it).

Hmmm ... although I'm not 100% sure about Dale, I'm sensing a connection with water. Nimrodel and Argonath have river connections, and Dale is on or near a lake, I think?

But then, Moria could work for 2 if it's a literal tumbling and a literal (dwarf) short chieftain (and Dale sort of could as well).

[Morsul the Dark]

If water is the common theme is the password Anduin?

[Pervinca Took]

I thought of that, but thought 2 was Dale. Nar or Nain could be the dwarf, but the clue seems to suggest the answer is a place.

No doubt you're right and all my dwarfy guesses are wrong. ;)

[Morsul the Dark]

Ok so

A Short Chieftain Tumbled, here.

Nindalf

A short chieftain
Gandalf shortened to Dalf

Tumbled
Well plenty of soldiers fell in the Dead marshes which is part of Nindalf...

The comma is throwing me off but I feel here just completes the grammatical sentence? Also indicates the answer is a place.

[Ivriniel]

That's clever! I was trying to use Vingilot as a vessel, as I couldn't think of any other Middle-earth ships with names.

....

same.... :) that's a first for me ....still wrong though hahahah

[Galadriel55]

Keep thinking Telcontar for the last one, cause it contains TOCAR, Spanish for touch. But there's no hunter, and while Estelyn Telcontar may explain the she, I can think of nothing to explain the it. So not Telcontar, but maybe others will have more luck with anagrams.

Edit: oops, missed Pervinca's Nimrodel. That makes a lot more sense.

[Nerwen]

Morsul has the password (though "water" is not the common theme). Well done!

ARGONATH Fabled vessel and preposition mingle, with monumental results.
N A short chieftain tumbled, here.
D Attempt bargain. Stir up to disclose observant member of Beleg club.
U Await continental upheaval. May not be over your head.
I Being sensational- disturb to reveal him.
NIMRODEL Hunter adds a touch of Spain to find her- and it.