Password

[Pervinca Took]

Golden Flower is really clever!

Or ... well ... Silver Flower would have been. :D

Did we ever find out what the leer was?

[Pervinca Took]

6. Vana? (van + a).

[Urwen]

1. A puzzle gains direction for him
2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
3. Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
6. Muddle up his task to get his name.
7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her
8. Mix this compound for him
9. Greet the key for her
10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[Pervinca Took]

3. FARAMIR? (Afar + rim).

[Urwen]

1. A puzzle gains direction for him
2. A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
4. Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
6. Muddle up his task to get his name.
7. Note Maltese money, returned. For her
8. Mix this compound for him
9. Greet the key for her
10. Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
11. Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[Urwen]

The password and the theme are the same, by the way. :D

[Pervinca Took]

No favourite?

(Faramir wasn't the favourite son).

[William Cloud Hicklin]

"Eastern leer"- Kurosawa's last great samurai epic was Ran, a reimagining of King Lear in feudal Japan.

[Urwen]

No favourite?

(Faramir wasn't the favourite son).

No. The opposite, in fact.

[Pervinca Took]

My favourite?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

7: Tar-Miriel? (LIRA + REMIT)

[Urwen]

my favourite?


M: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
A: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
R: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
T: Greet the key for her
E: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him


(And yes, Vana is among them. Not on the same scale as the others, but she's among them nonetheless)

[Pervinca Took]

Ah - North American spelling! That's why I was one letter over and put the singular.

[Pervinca Took]

Is WY Wyoming?

If so, EOWYN (EON + WY) for the Y clue, with Y not the first letter.

[Urwen]

Choosing this theme might have been a mistake.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

All right, got it LIRA + TI backwards = ITARIL (Quenya for Sind. Idril)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Enigma + L = Maeglin

[Urwen]

MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
A: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
T: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[William Cloud Hicklin]

For the A, FINI+S = ISFIN = AREDHEL?

[Urwen]

For the A, FINI+S = ISFIN = AREDHEL?


Actually, it was ADHERE + L


MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
T: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[Pervinca Took]

And still none of Hurin's offspring, nor any hint of them!

[Urwen]

And still none of Hurin's offspring, nor any hint of them!

Now who said there is not? :D

Look more carefully....

[Pervinca Took]

The only thing even near a task/character anagram I can think of is Tuor/tour, but I think you said somewhere that you don't like him.

Unless Fingolfin was tasked with going golfing with Finns (or fins!)

[Urwen]

The only thing even near a task/character anagram I can think of is Tuor/tour, but I think you said somewhere that you don't like him.

Unless Fingolfin was tasked with going golfing with Finns (or fins!)


Nope.

[Pervinca Took]

Ah ... might LALAITH be HAIL + ALT?

(I had considered just about every kind of key *except* the ones on a computer keyboard).

[Urwen]

MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
LALAITH: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[William Cloud Hicklin]

It's a stretch, but could the O be WON OVER = VORONWE? (part of V's task was to "win over" Gondolin's guards and get Tuor in)

[Urwen]

It's a stretch, but could the O be WON OVER = VORONWE? (part of V's task was to "win over" Gondolin's guards and get Tuor in)

No...

[Pervinca Took]

Was ELMO a spy? (Mole).

Did NORI do the IRONing?

[Urwen]

Was ELMO a spy? (Mole).

Did NORI do the IRONing?

None of those.

(If there is a mole among these, it would be Lomion, who is already used)

[Pervinca Took]

Already used?

Where?

Unless he's the I clue.

[Urwen]

Already used?

Where?

Unless he's the I clue.

......

Are you pulling my leg or you really don't know? :eek:

[Pervinca Took]

Lomion is Eol, isn't it? Well, his wife and son are answers, but I don't see him.

... checks again ...

Oh. Maeglin.

[Pervinca Took]

To get it on this page.

MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
O: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
LALAITH: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[Urwen]

Bump

[Pervinca Took]

Eriol as an oriel (window). :D

[Urwen]

Nope. The synonym used in the clue is seldom used. You're the champion of this thread, surely it isn't this difficult.....

[Pervinca Took]

They're always easy if you know the answers!

And I wouldn't call myself a champion, let alone the. I find Nerwen and Huey's clues *really* hard, for starters.

[Urwen]

It's an archaic synonym.

[Pervinca Took]

Yeah, but it's finding the letters. Also not easy when you don't know where in the name the O is!

Plus there aren't that many 'tasks' in Tolkien's works. Ringbearing for Frodo, reclaiming the Silmarils for Feanor & Sons, getting a Silmaril for Beren & Luthien ... but these are too long and aren't synonyms for anyone.

Let's see. 'Lookout' for Balin. Again, not a synonym.

Burglar/thief/thieving ... not anagrams of Bilbo/Baggins.

Then there's gardener for Sam and steward for many, and king for many, and landlord for Butterbur. But these are *professions* or positions, not individual tasks. Also, not character-synonyms.

Unless there was ever a king whose name was a synonym of 'monarch.'

[Urwen]

Yeah, but it's finding the letters. Also not easy whdn you don't know where in the name the O is!

Plus there aren't that many 'tasks' in Tolkien's works. Ringbearing for Frodo, reclaiming the Silmarils for Feanor & Sons ... but these are too long and aren't synonyms for anyone.

Let's see. 'Lookout' for Balin. Again, not a synonym.

Burglar/thief/thieving ... not anagrams of Bilbo/Baggins.

Then there's gardener for Sam and steward for many, and king for many, and landlord for Butterbur. But these are *professions,* not individual tasks. Also, not character-synonyms.

Unless there was ever a king whose name was a synonym of 'monarch.'


What if I told you that the answer is in the post I just quoted?

[Pervinca Took]

Well, Barliman is an anagram of MAL BRAIN. But aside from not being a task, that's both cruel and a little unfair. :D

[Urwen]

Well, Barliman is an anagram of MAL BRAIN. But aside from not being a task, that's both cruel and a little unfair. :D

You listed other names too. Try one of those

If you still need a hint, then here it is:

yortsed rof mynonys ciahcra na si rof gnikool era uoy drow eht

[Pervinca Took]

Bilbo as Biblo (maybe writer?)

(Guessed without reading your hint).

[Urwen]

No.

[Pervinca Took]

I was thinking of an anagram of slayer. (Now have read your hint).

But this would be slay. But more archaic than slay. I'll have another look.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

If Denethor had a sideline as a pimp, he could be a HO-TENDER :smokin:

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Well, if the name is one listed verbatim in your post, the only one whose task was to destroy anything was Frodo.

[Pervinca Took]

Fordo = Frodo.

Destroy the Ring.

To fordo ... like when Edmund was going to lie and say Cordelia 'fordid herself.'

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Oh, heck. FORDO, as in FORDONE.

Nice one, Urwen

[Urwen]

*slow clap*


MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
FRODO: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
I: Mix this compound for him
LALAITH: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
S: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him

[Pervinca Took]

1. VERY nice clue.

2. Impeccable taste in characters.

3. His task was, strictly speaking, to find the cracks of doom. But I'll let you off. :D

[Urwen]

1. VERY nice clue.

2. Impeccable taste in characters.

3. His task was, strictly speaking, to find the cracks of doom. But I'll let you off. :D

Thanks, but.....you still have two more to go. :smokin:

I'll help you out, because you deserve it.

1. Fire Maiden isn't the only CoH in the set
2. The last one is the first character I liked when I read Silmarillion for the first time.

[Galadriel55]

2. The last one is the first character I liked when I read Silmarillion for the first time.

So either a Vala / early Elf mention, or you really didn't like many characters on your first read? ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Thanks, but.....you still have two more to go. :smokin

I know. I was just commending you for having Frodo as a favourite.

Now ... is the compound thing just a compound name? DAGNIR GLAURUNGA, maybe?

There is only one choice of character if it's a CofH and a male. Unless you mean just a character from that *book.*

[William Cloud Hicklin]

I don't know if titanium + ruthenium + nitrogen is a real alloy, but it yields a rather radioactive TURIN

[Pervinca Took]

Given what havoc a *non*-radioactive Turin can wreak, I will go to sleep with that rather disturbing thought!

See you all tomorrow!

[Urwen]

It's a compound name, and the compound is found in several food types (most notably in citrus fruits)

[Urwen]

So either a Vala / early Elf mention, or you really didn't like many characters on your first read? ;)

Oh, he was mentioned early all right. But he was also mentioned later. In fact, he was mentioned multiple times during the book, and was one of the prominent ringleaders (pun not intended) :p

[Pervinca Took]

C6H8O7?

(Citric acid).

[Urwen]

c6h8o7?

(citric acid).


c27h30o16

[Galadriel55]

It's a compound name, and the compound is found in several food types (most notably in citrus fruits)

Citric acid! Ascorbic acid! Vitamin C!

I don't know what the answer is, I can't make anything of the above. I'm just shouting out things.

Edit: xed with the last clue and the last couple posts above it. Makes sense now...

[Pervinca Took]

MORMEGIL

has LIME
almost has MERGE
and MINGLE

Can anyone make something of this?

[Pervinca Took]

Is S TULKAS? (Stalk).

Can't account for the U, though.

[Urwen]

c27h30o16

[Galadriel55]

Can anyone make something of this?

Pervinca, google the chemical formula Urwen posted. :)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay, c27h30o16 is something called "rutin," which "is the glycoside combining the flavonol quercetin and the disaccharide rutinose."

Yeah, because anyone could have guessed that.

Anyway, TURIN

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK, teh Interwebz sez that there are two kinds of "complex plant tissue," that is tissue made of different kinds of cells:

Xylem
Phloem

Problem is, neither has an S (and I'm pretty sure nobody in Tolkien has an X)

[Pervinca Took]

Yeah, have looked all through complex plant tissues on the interweb and found nothing that seemed to work.

Not mad rose + h ... MAEDHROS???

And not TULKAS??? (Stalk + unaccountable U).

[Nerwen]

Well, unless Urwen's done a complete 180 I can't see Maedhros being on the list of her "favourites".

[Urwen]

HADROMES > MAEDHROS

MAEGLIN: A puzzle gains direction for him
EOWYN: A state abbreviation inside of a long period of time, for her
FARAMIR: Muddled distant reverse edge for him.
AREDHEL: Follow through, with a direction? She will not do this.
VANA: A vehicle, noted. She appears
FRODO: Muddle up his task to get his name.
IDRIL: Note Maltese money, returned. For her
TURIIN: Mix this compound for him
LALAITH: Greet the key for her
TAR MIRIEL: Rearrange a rodent containing lime for her
MAEDHROS: Mixed complex plant tissue, for him


And yes, he was my first favorite, and still is.

[Pervinca Took]

A botany lesson, indeed.

Have sent a couple of my passwords to my e-mail, but am not able to copy and paste them from there on my 'phone. So may have to retype them, or wait until I can get onto a laptop. Bear with me.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Laureate? Last of a score! Disturb her sonnet for a brave man.
2. Does he eat his veg? No! A deceiver swallows it for him! (Whole). (But not the deceiver).
3. He’s an elf of the twilight, blended and liquid.
4. No fear. Perturbed? Well, it sums him up, really.
5. Reveal, after much spin, a velar consonant – and the man himself.
6. A donkey, a Shropshire town, and a perfect square! Mix them together, and whom do you see?
7. He’s a teacher in Gondolin, but he’s suffered dental loss.

[Urwen]

3. Maeglin? (Elf of Twilight)

[Pervinca Took]

Nope.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

5: Arveleg (reveal + g)

[Urwen]

4. Feanor? (No fear, rearranged)

[Urwen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Towns_in_Shropshire

[Pervinca Took]

1. Laureate? Last of a score! Disturb her sonnet for a brave man.
2. Does he eat his veg? No! A deceiver swallows it for him! (Whole). (But not the deceiver).
3. He’s an elf of the twilight, blended and liquid.
FEANOR: No fear. Perturbed? Well, it sums him up, really.
ARVELEG: Reveal, after much spin, a velar consonant – and the man himself.
6. A donkey, a Shropshire town, and a perfect square! Mix them together, and whom do you see?
7. He’s a teacher in Gondolin, but he’s suffered dental loss.

[Urwen]

Maybe the theme is descendants of Finwe?

[Urwen]

Names of Gondolin: Hidden City, Ondolinde, White City, Rock of the Music of Water.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

7: Tutor- T = Tuor

[Urwen]

7. Tuor (Tutor-T)

[Urwen]

2. Beren (Because Carcharoth swallowed his hand?)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Laureate? Last of a score! Disturb her sonnet for a brave man.
2. Does he eat his veg? No! A deceiver swallows it for him! (Whole). (But not the deceiver).
3. He’s an elf of the twilight, blended and liquid.
FEANOR: No fear. Perturbed? Well, it sums him up, really.
ARVELEG: Reveal, after much spin, a velar consonant – and the man himself.
6. A donkey, a Shropshire town, and a perfect square! Mix them together, and whom do you see?
TUOR: He’s a teacher in Gondolin, but he’s suffered dental loss.

No to Beren. Carcharoth's act was not a vegan one!

No to your theme suggestion.

[Urwen]

I tried solving 1, but I cannot find anything tolkien within 'NOBELE' and 'HERSONNET' anagrams......

[Urwen]

2. Celebrimbor? (Celeri sounds like Celery)

[Urwen]

And maybe #1 is Beren.....Because N O B E L E comes close and her sonnet alludes to Luthien's song.

[Urwen]

Or 2 could be Celegorm, because he was called 'Celery' in Terrible Dad Feanor comics. :smokin:

It also contains 'CELE' which sounds like 'KALE'.

[Pervinca Took]

No.

Start with 'Laureate.' What is a Laureate? Or a Poet Laureate, to be more precise?

[Urwen]

It says it's an officially appointed poet, or a bard

[Urwen]

You missed these, btw.

2. Celebrimbor? (Celeri sounds like Celery)

Or 2 could be Celegorm, because he was called 'Celery' in Terrible Dad Feanor comics. :smokin:

It also contains 'CELE' which sounds like 'KALE'.

[Urwen]

There is a character Bard as well......

[Pervinca Took]

You missed these, btw.

No I didn't. 'No' applied to those too.

Not Bard.

Start in the 'real' world for the Laureate clue.

[Urwen]

Major poet is a synonym for Laureate in the real world.

[Pervinca Took]

So ... find one!

However, look first at what Poet Laureate means in the UK.

[Urwen]

Albertino Mussato, Francesco Petrarca and Bernard André were the first appointed ones.

[Urwen]

In the UK they ere called 'minstrels' and 'versifiers', and Shakespeare comes to mind.

[Urwen]

It's an office appointed by the monarch or the Prime Minister.

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. And it's a British Poet Laureate you need.

[Urwen]

Alfred Tennyson?

[Urwen]

Who wrote Lady of Shallot (her sonnet) clue.

[Urwen]

And the main character of that poem suffers from a curse, just like Turin did.

[Pervinca Took]

Was Tennyson a she? And is 'The Lady of Shallot' a sonnet? ;)

[Urwen]

Found it

1. Huor, from Hour.

:D

[Urwen]

In which case, the password is Hamfast, and the theme is fathers and sons.

[Pervinca Took]

HUOR: Laureate? Last of a score! Disturb her sonnet for a brave man.
A: Does he eat his veg? No! A deceiver swallows it for him! (Whole). (But not the deceiver).
M: He’s an elf of the twilight, blended and liquid.
FEANOR: No fear. Perturbed? Well, it sums him up, really.
ARVELEG: Reveal, after much spin, a velar consonant – and the man himself.
S: A donkey, a Shropshire town, and a perfect square! Mix them together, and whom do you see?
TUOR: He’s a teacher in Gondolin, but he’s suffered dental loss.

THEME: FATHERS & SONS

There have been 20 British Poet Laureates, (a score).

The current one, and the first ever female one, is Carol Ann Duffy.


'HOUR' by CAROL ANN DUFFY


Love’s time’s beggar, but even a single hour,

bright as a dropped coin, makes love rich.

We find an hour together, spend it not on flowers

or wine, but the whole of the summer sky and a grass ditch.


For thousands of seconds we kiss; your hair

like treasure on the ground; the Midas light

turning your limbs to gold. Time slows, for here

we are millionaires, backhanding the night


so nothing dark will end our shining hour,

no jewel hold a candle to the cuckoo spit

hung from the blade of grass at your ear,

no chandelier or spotlight see you better lit


than here. Now. Time hates love, wants love poor,

but love spins gold, gold, gold from straw.

[Urwen]

Maedhros, Maglor, Curufin, Amrod, Amras, Caranthir.

Unless Caranthir is synonymous with carrot or Amras is an anagram of sarma, I don't see how any of them ate a veggie.

Or Carcharoth himself, as his name contains carrot, and he swallows stuff.

[Urwen]

And since there are no Sons of Feanor whose names begin with S, that leaves the A clue and M clue. And since none of their names contain vegetable, it has to be the M clue. And 'twilight' is 'LOME' or 'LOM', derived from LOMION.

MAGLOR contains LOM.

[Urwen]

And the S clue is SAMWISE, Hamfast's son, whose initial is S.

[Urwen]

Wait, no, A clue is Arvegil (VEG swallowed by a LIAR)

[Pervinca Took]

I'll give you MAGLOR, because you tried to give me the reasoning.

However.

GLOAM is another word for twilight. Blend it and add R (R and L are classed as liquids).

I expect a bit more than 'because I've got the first letter' to explain Samwise, though. :D

[Pervinca Took]

Yes! Well done on Arvegil. LIAR swallows VEG, leaving it whole and intact, but is fractured itself.

[Pervinca Took]

HUOR: Laureate? Last of a score! Disturb her sonnet for a brave man.
ARVEGIL: Does he eat his veg? No! A deceiver swallows it for him! (Whole). (But not the deceiver).
MAGLOR: He’s an elf of the twilight, blended and liquid.
FEANOR: No fear. Perturbed? Well, it sums him up, really.
ARVELEG: Reveal, after much spin, a velar consonant – and the man himself.
S: A donkey, a Shropshire town, and a perfect square! Mix them together, and whom do you see?
TUOR: He’s a teacher in Gondolin, but he’s suffered dental loss.

THEME: FATHERS & SONS

[Urwen]

Well, let's start with SAMWISE

If we remove donkey, we are left with M W I E

Now if we remove the Shropshire town, we are left with I.
I is a roman numeral of 1, and when you square 1, you get 1, making it a perfect square.

So it's [A$$]+WEM+I rearranged

(and it seems it won't let me use that word, so I have to improvise....)

[Urwen]

And this is the first one that I've solved in less than a day (And all by myself too, unless we count William's ninja - but I figured out that one without help in spite of that)

[Urwen]

Oh, and the last line of that sonnet is apt for Huor (and the rest of Hador's house too), if I do so say so myself.

[Pervinca Took]

HUOR: Laureate? Last of a score! Disturb her sonnet for a brave man.
ARVEGIL: Does he eat his veg? No! A deceiver swallows it for him! (Whole). (But not the deceiver).
MAGLOR: He’s an elf of the twilight, blended and liquid.
FEANOR: No fear. Perturbed? Well, it sums him up, really.
ARVELEG: Reveal, after much spin, a velar consonant – and the man himself.
SAMWISE: A donkey, a Shropshire town, and a perfect square! Mix them together, and whom do you see?
TUOR: He’s a teacher in Gondolin, but he’s suffered dental loss.

THEME: FATHERS & SONS

I have now done mothers and sons, mothers and daughters, fathers and daughters and fathers and sons, (written before G55's stunning B-fathers one, but not posted until after it). And two 'couples' ones.

Excellent work, Urwen! Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh, and the last line of that sonnet is apt for Huor (and the rest of Hador's house too), if I do so say so myself.

It's a reference to the story of Rumplestiltskin.

[Urwen]

HUOR: Laureate? Last of a score! Disturb her sonnet for a brave man.
ARVEGIL: Does he eat his veg? No! A deceiver swallows it for him! (Whole). (But not the deceiver).
MAGLOR: He’s an elf of the twilight, blended and liquid.
FEANOR: No fear. Perturbed? Well, it sums him up, really.
ARVELEG: Reveal, after much spin, a velar consonant – and the man himself.
SAMWISE: A donkey, a Shropshire town, and a perfect square! Mix them together, and whom do you see?
TUOR: He’s a teacher in Gondolin, but he’s suffered dental loss.

THEME: FATHERS & SONS

I have now done moyhers and sins, mothers and daughters, fathers snd daughters and fathers and sons (written before G55's stunning B-fathers one, but not posted until after it). And two 'couples' ones.

Excellent work, Urwen! Over to you.


I was planning to do 'Mothers and daughters' next, but you've already done it.


*puts her thinking cap on*

[Pervinca Took]

I had done 'Untimely Deaths' as well, but it doesn't matter. :D

Pairs of females are really hard, though, because there are not that many females and we often don't know many of the people they're related to. Although when I wrote that one, I think we mostly did first-letter passwords, or diagonals, or all 3rd letter or whatever. We've now done so many that we often need random letter positions to make new ones ... especially if they're to have a theme.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

And this is the first one that I've solved in less than a day (And all by myself too, unless we count William's ninja - but I figured out that one without help in spite of that)

I did get Arveleg... ;)

[Urwen]

Here is another one which hasn't been done until now.

1. Add liquid to the king of fruits for this.
2. Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
3. Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
4. A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
5. To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
6. A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
7. A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
8. Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

(Admittedly, this one has been inspired by several of the riddles we've had recently. ;)

I'll do mother/daughter one on my next turn, unless I come up with something better)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

4: Thingol's sword ARANRUTH, ANAR + RUTH

[Urwen]

1. Add liquid to the king of fruits for this.
2. Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
3. Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
5. To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
6. A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
7. A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
8. Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

7: HE + RUG + RIM, Theoden's sword HERUGRIM

[Urwen]

1. Add liquid to the king of fruits for this.
2. Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
3. Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
5. To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
6. A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
HERUGRIM: A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
8. Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2. STING, no games

[Urwen]

I just realized that I forgot to include one crucial element. This has now been rectified.

1. Add liquid to the (confused) king of fruits for this.
STING: Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
3. Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
5. To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
6. A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
HERUGRIM: A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
8. Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1. The "King of fruits" is the stinky DURIAN, + L = ANDURIL

[William Cloud Hicklin]

theme is either SWORDS or more generally WEAPONS

[Urwen]

ANDURIL: Add liquid to the (confused) king of fruits for this.
STING: Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
3. Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
5. To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
6. A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
HERUGRIM: A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
8. Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

THEME: SWORDS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

5. is the RING plus LIthium: RINGIL

[Urwen]

ANDURIL: Add liquid to the (confused) king of fruits for this.
STING: Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
3. Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
RIINGIL: To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
6. A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
HERUGRIM: A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
8. Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

THEME: SWORDS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

3: The peculiarly German note H, with GUT, implies GURTHANG but I can't get any kind of drink out of RANG

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Never mind! 3 is Eomer's sword GUT + H + WINE, GUTHWINE

[Urwen]

ANDURIL: Add liquid to the (confused) king of fruits for this.
STING: Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
GUTHWINE: Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
RIINGIL: To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
6. A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
HERUGRIM: A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
8. Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

THEME: SWORDS

[Pervinca Took]

ANGUIREL for the password?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

8 is GLANCE + HALL - L = ANGLACHEL

[Urwen]

ANDURIL: Add liquid to the (confused) king of fruits for this.
STING: Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
GUTHWINE: Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
RIINGIL: To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
?????R: A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
HERUGRIM: A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
ANGLACHEL: Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

THEME: SWORDS

[Pervinca Took]

DAGMOR. Dogma + R. Beren's sword.

[Urwen]

ANDURIL: Add liquid to the (confused) king of fruits for this.
STING: Its name is what you'll feel if you be its enemy.
GUTHWINE: Belly, a German note, and a beverage. Combine them for this.
ARANRUTH: A biblical woman comes after a disturbed sun for this.
RIINGIL: To find it, add an element to Sauron's power source (without a number).
DAGMOR: A code of beliefs gains direction for this.
HERUGRIM: A pronoun, a carpet and an edge combine for this.
ANGLACHEL: Look quickly at unfinished room, and see this.

THEME: SWORDS

Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

Sorry, I was busy during the swords one, but I do acknowledge the fact that William did nearly all of the work.

OK ... this is my second one in rhyming couplets.

It also goes to a tune: 'Sing a song of sixpence.'


1. Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
2. Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
3. By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
4. And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
5. Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
6. Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
7. Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
8. And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

[Urwen]

8. Shire?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

[Urwen]

It's the names of places somewhere.....

[Urwen]

1. Brandy Hall (Brandy for spirit)?

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
2. Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
3. By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
4. And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
5. Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
6. Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
7. Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
8. And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

[Urwen]

Theme: Locations in Shire (I think you used the same one once before, but you also used the 'council' ones thrice, so it's not a stretch to assume you'd do it again)

[Pervinca Took]

Correct.

But it is THE Shire! :D

[Urwen]

2. Lockhole (Pain in the neck is sometimes refered to as locked neck and empty = hole)

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
2. Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
3. By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
4. And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
5. Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
6. Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
7. Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
8. And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

Not Lockhole (or more correctly Lockholes).

[Urwen]

Is the theme correct, at least?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes - I said so!

[Urwen]

2. Needlehole (Needle=pain in the neck, hole = empty)

Password: Norbourne

[Pervinca Took]

No and no.

[Urwen]

3. Bagshot Row (row = paddle, shot = prick)

[Urwen]

Eight letter word beginning with N......

[Urwen]

Password: Northway

[Urwen]

3. Bywater (bread and water)

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
2. Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
BYWATER: By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
4. And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
5. Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
6. Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
7. Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
8. And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Password: Nobottle

(just because it's the neatest placename in the Shire)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

2: Crickhollow

[William Cloud Hicklin]

And 6 could well be Bag End, since Bilbo was the noted purveyor of yarns

[Urwen]

I would have gotten it too, if it weren't for my internet connection dying out on me....:mad:

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
CRICKHOLLOW: Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
BYWATER: By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
???O???: And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
???T???: Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
???T???: Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
???L???: Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
???E???: And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

Yes - you get a CRICK in your neck, and HOLLOW means empty.

You're right about the 'tall' (but not really) stories being Bilbo's, but Bag End does not have a T. :D

[Urwen]

I cri everytime......


I would have gotten it too, if it weren't for my internet connection dying out on me....:mad:


Oh, well, I will get it next time, count on it.

[Urwen]

I am half-compelled to just steal the turn like William did, for this very reason, decorum be damned.....

[Urwen]

If for no other reason than because I now have a dangerous combination of being bored and mad that I was cheated of getting it by my brief loss of connection.

[Urwen]

STEAL THE TURN! MAY THE OTHERS LOSE IT! - Feanor

[Pervinca Took]

Come on. William didn't know the rules and made an honest mistake. He would have yielded the turn to me, but I said I didn't mind. And I kind of stole the last password turn from him anyway, albeit 'legally.'

[Urwen]

Oh well

Hello Lomion, my old friend. At least I'll always have you right next to me.

[Pervinca Took]

I thought Riddles In The Downs was very active?

You could revive 'Tolkien Dozen' if you can think of a new category.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK, the "tall" bit implies THE HILL.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

7 Needlehole?

[Galadriel55]

Geez! I am away for a day and I miss a password and a half! That was quick work!


OK, the "tall" bit implies THE HILL.

Or if Bilbo was the right person, it could be HOBBITON.

[Galadriel55]

8. Great Smials ("big smiles")

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
CRICKHOLLOW: Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
BYWATER: By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
???O???: And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
???T???: Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
HOBBITON: Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
???L???: Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
GREAT SMIALS: And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

A modest verse in rhyming couplets, to be sung to the tune of 'Sing a Song of Sixpence.'

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

Needlehole was a good guess, but not the answer I'm looking for.

[Pervinca Took]

I suspect that Huinesoron knows them all but is holding back. ;)

[Nerwen]

THISTLE BROOK for #7?

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
CRICKHOLLOW: Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
BYWATER: By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
???O???: And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
???T???: Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
HOBBITON: Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
THISTLEBROOK: Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
GREAT SMIALS: And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

A modest verse in rhyming couplets, to be sung to the tune of 'Sing a Song of Sixpence.'

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

By hob-nobs, are you referring to the English cookie brand?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes.

(I believe Gollum has been known to share them with orcs as well. Dipped in a nice cup of Darjeeling).

[Pervinca Took]

By the way, the red letter could fall anywhere in the remaining answers. ??? is to indicate that there's no pattern.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Yes.



That's really very culturally specific; I don't think I'd know about them but for having lived there

It would have to be OATBARTON; Hob-nobs are largely oatmeal, and -barton is archaic "farm"

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
CRICKHOLLOW: Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
BYWATER: By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
OATBARTON: And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
???T???: Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
HOBBITON: Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
THISTLEBROOK: Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
GREAT SMIALS: And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

A modest verse in rhyming couplets, to be sung to the tune of 'Sing a Song of Sixpence.'

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

I have encountered elements not used in the UK in this thread, too. Google is our friend! ;)

'Barton' is indeed an archaic word for a farmyard. 'In the lonely barton by yonder coomb / Our childhood used to know' (Thomas Hardy, 'The Oxen.') Oatbarton suggests a field/farmyard where oats are grown. But a hobnob tree just seemed like a fun (though fanciful) idea. :D They are oaty biscuits, after all ....

(I was possibly hungry when I wrote the clue). ;)

One to go!

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Shame there's no place in the Shire named "Overnet"

[Urwen]

Quick Post?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

There may be an element in the clue that you are overlooking.

[Urwen]

You mean 'way' part?

Then it's Causeway or Northway.

[Urwen]

Or maybe Bagshot Row (BAG+SHOT+ROW)

[Pervinca Took]

You mean 'way' part?

Yes, I do.

Then it's Causeway or Northway.

No, it isn't!

[Urwen]

And this?

Or maybe Bagshot Row (BAG+SHOT+ROW)

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
CRICKHOLLOW: Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
BYWATER: By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
OATBARTON: And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
???T???: Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
HOBBITON: Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
THISTLEBROOK: Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
GREAT SMIALS: And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

A modest verse in rhyming couplets, to be sung to the tune of 'Sing a Song of Sixpence.'

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

[Pervinca Took]

And this?

I'm no sportswoman, but a bag shot is not one I've ever heard of!

No.

[Urwen]

I'm no sportswoman, but a bag shot is not one I've ever heard of!

No.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sSwBnGHmQM

[Urwen]

Waymeet?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Aha! WAYMEET - I dimly recall tennis coaches hopelessly encouraging me to "meet" the ball (to no avail)

[Pervinca Took]

Not Waymeet.

Didn't mean to mislead you. It isn't a *proper* tennis term I'm looking for.

[Urwen]

There isn't any place which contains 'way' remaining, though......

[Pervinca Took]

Not 'way,' no. But there are ways of indicating a way. ;)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK, here's a real stretch: WINDWHISTLE? That's at least the sound of it....

Unless you're trying to make the ball a FAR THING

[Pervinca Took]

No.

The phrase could also apply to a cricket, rounders/baseball, snooker, billiards or pool ball.

[Urwen]

Not 'way,' no. But there are ways of indicating a way. ;)


Signs?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

No.

The phrase could also apply to a cricket, rounders/baseball, snooker, billiards or pool ball.


Also a squash or golf ball?

[Pervinca Took]

Also a squash or golf ball?

Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

Signs?

No.

It's a kind of element that we use all the time on this thread.

[Urwen]

'FOR'? As in, 'for him', 'for her' etc.

[Urwen]

Or maybe 'returning' or something similar?

[Urwen]

Hint please?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay, all I got is LONGBOTTOM

[Pervinca Took]

If you ask the way, you ask the ...

[Urwen]

Direction?

[Urwen]

East Road?

[Pervinca Took]

Try an abbreviation for a direction.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Dwaling????????? When you "wale" on something you hit it hard, so D + WALING, I guess

[Pervinca Took]

D isn't a direction!

Look at a map of the Shire. You can find one online.

[Urwen]

Okay, compass says 'M' 'N', 'T' and 'P', but I don't see how that helps......

[Pervinca Took]

M T P?

Never heard of those as compass points.

[Urwen]

Oh. I see. Cheeky......

Final answer: Whitwell (W+HIT+WELL)

[Pervinca Took]

Yes!!!!!!!!!!

[William Cloud Hicklin]

D isn't a direction!

Sure it is! D for Down!

[Pervinca Took]

BRANDY HALL: Sing a song of Tolkien: strong’s the spirit here!
CRICKHOLLOW: Pain in neck and empty? Nomenclature is queer.
BYWATER: By this may you live, since it’s not by bread alone –
OATBARTON: And here’s a place where (fancifully) hob-nobs could be grown.
WHITWELL: Here’s the way that you must serve a tennis ball,
HOBBITON: Here dwelt one whose stories, (many thought), were tall.
THISTLEBROOK: Here have fun and paddle, but do not prick your toes -
GREAT SMIALS: And here big grins abound, they say, and none are lachrymose!

A modest verse in rhyming couplets, to be sung to the tune of 'Sing a Song of Sixpence.'

THEME: SHIRE LOCATIONS

William, the floor is yours.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

All right, I have a few things to do so it will be a bit before I get the next one up

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, let's go!

1. Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

[Galadriel55]

3. Beren

[Galadriel55]

5. Sounds like Fingolfin or Finarfin, by the word pattern. Can't reason which though.

[Urwen]

2. Tuor?

[Urwen]

6. Maglor (GLAM+RO)

5. Maedhros (MAD+SHORE)

[Urwen]

8. Feanor (OAF)

[Urwen]

7. Thingol (HING+LOT)

[Urwen]

4. Morgoth (gorm+hot)

[Urwen]

Which makes the theme 'handlers of Silmarili'.

[Pervinca Took]

So we can see it ....

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, let's go!

1. Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

[Huinesoron]

Which makes the theme 'handlers of Silmarili'.

And if we take these answers as correct:

4. Morgoth
5. Maedhros
6. Maglor
7. Thingol

The password could be SILMARIL itself.

But I'm quite inclined to accept 'Beren' for 3, so perhaps not. (Also, Urwen, out of curiosity: I can see how a crew is a 'lot' of people, but what's a hing?)

hS

[Urwen]

AAnd if we take these answers as correct:

4. Morgoth
5. Maedhros
6. Maglor
7. Thingol

The password could be SILMARIL itself.

But I'm quite inclined to accept 'Beren' for 3, so perhaps not. (Also, Urwen, out of curiosity: I can see how a crew is a 'lot' of people, but what's a hing?)

hS


A synonym for key, of course.

[Pervinca Took]

A hing is a key?

[Urwen]

That's what I found when searching for synonyms....

[Pervinca Took]

There's a city in California called Temecula!

I found this by scrambling clue + team.

Not a Tolkien character, but pretty cool! :D

[Urwen]

I really wanted to get this password....and yet, someone else got it, again.... :(

[Huinesoron]

1. There's a Jewish pastry named a nunt, which is present in the name of the noted fiend UNGOLIANT. The remaining letters ('golia') could easily make a name, and include 'al', the Arabic particle for 'the' (I believe).

It would once again rule out 'Silmaril', though.

hS

[Urwen]

Then I still have a chance.

[Pervinca Took]

Wake up, William!

;)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Good morning all.

Beren, Maedhros and Maglor are correct. The others, not so much. The Password is still on the table.


1. Arab handmaid ate Jewish pastry- the upset without 440 produced a fiend
2. Get out? Nein! He's backwards!
3. BEREN: Remember England; he was in there.
4. Bluetooth gets garbled after tea, so you'll have to unscramble him
5. MAEDHROS: He's like, "Crazy beach, crazy!"
6. MAGLOR: Glam rocker without even thinking- he was the first and might be the last
7. Key crew! Activity will reveal him
8. He's a dunce on one side

[Pervinca Took]

GURTHANG, maybe? (Password).

[Urwen]

1 and 4 are the most difficult ones, I feel.....

[Urwen]

Very well, since I probably won't be getting the password anytime soon, because others are determined to do it, then will not be helping any of you anymore. Solve every damn password if it means so much to you, but don't ask for my help again.

Half the reason I play is to get the password right, so this kinda discourages me.....

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Urwen, they're just guessing in the dark. "Gurthang" is nowhere close. (What does Turin's sword have to do with Beren, Maedhros or Maglor?)

I venture that nobody's getting it until they figure out the theme, and that won't happen until more clues are solved.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

1 and 4 are the most difficult ones, I feel.....

I would say 4 and 7. And 2 is tricksy.

[Urwen]

I would say 4 and 7. And 2 is tricksy.


Could we get some hints for those, then?