Password

[Urwen]

FINROD: A befuddled dwarf amid two notes reveals him.
BEREN: A dwarf changes vowels for him.
EDRAHIL: Sturdy within untruth? It returns for him.
HUOR: Greek 17th, in a spin, receives the vowel for him.
HURIN: A german note precedes destruction in a spin for him.
TURGON: He sounds like you're gone after tea.

Can you say what the password and the theme are now?

[Pervinca Took]

Does FEDHIN mean hero, or something?

Is it First Age heroes?

[Pervinca Took]

"fedhin*

"adjective.*ally, friend, bound by agreement, bound by agreement, ally, friend, friend, ally"

Ah, ok.

Are they pairs of allies ... pairs bound by an agreement of friendship?

[Urwen]

"fedhin*

"adjective.*ally, friend, bound by agreement, bound by agreement, ally, friend, friend, ally"

Ah, ok.

Are they pairs of allies ... pairs bound by an agreement of friendship?


Not pairs, trios.

[Urwen]

I wanted to use Finrod and Beren in a password cos I had their awesome dynamic in mind for quite a while now, but no word fit, until I found Fedhin. :smokin:

[Pervinca Took]

Great idea!

Tell me who the trios are. I'm not as good as you on the First Age.

New password tomorrow. It's at work.

[Urwen]

Finrod+Beren+Edrahil, and Hurin+Huor+Turgon

[Urwen]

But.....are you always at work? You were at work when it was morning for me, and you're at work when it is evening for me, which is kinda weird, since most jobs have only one shift..... Is there a time when you're not at work?

[Pervinca Took]

No. I solved your password at home, but my two prepared passwords are on my laptop, and *that* is at work, in my cupboard. I take it in at the beginning of the week, and bring it home at the end. Because I need it at work but don't want to carry it home every day.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
2. Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
5. Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
6. Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally (Frodo). *
11. A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
12. The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
13. A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

The names in the brackets relate each clue to the theme. Ignore them for now. They will start to make sense when you have guessed a few of them.

[CLUE 1 HAS BEEN AMENDED]

[Urwen]

For 1, are we looking for a particular species of fish or just a synonym for fish?

[Pervinca Took]

A kind of fish.

[Urwen]

4. Dale (Lad returning + E)

[Pervinca Took]

4. Dale (Lad returning + E)

Yes. Also sounding like 'Eeee, lad!'

It's number 5, though.

[Pervinca Took]

1. A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
2. Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
6. Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
11. A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
12. The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
13. A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

SORRY - THERE WAS AN ERROR IN CLUE ONE. NOW CORRECTED.

[Urwen]

1. Tuna?

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
2. Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
6. Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
11. A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
12. The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
13. A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly


I believe tuna is a pretty dark fish, when not mixed with mayonnaise.

[Urwen]

13. Moria? (Ori surrounded by Ma)

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
2. Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
6. Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
11. A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
12. The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly


Indeed!

[Urwen]

Which one should I try to solve next?

[Huinesoron]

12. N + LO! VAIR! = VALINOR.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Which one should I try to solve next?

Whichever you like. :)

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
2. Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
6. Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
11. A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

[Urwen]

Is there a place called Thinbor?

[Pervinca Took]

No. You need synonyms.

[Urwen]

Rob= Mug?
Thin = Slim/Gaunt?

[Urwen]

2. Aros (Sarai-Ai + O)

[Pervinca Took]

Rob= Mug?
Thin = Slim/Gaunt?

One of the thin ones is right.
Mug is wrong.
Aros is wrong.

[Urwen]

Theme is the places unseen/unvisited by people in brackets.

[Urwen]

I looked, and nothing seems to fit both words.....

[Pervinca Took]

Theme is the places unseen/unvisited by people in brackets.

Either not visited or not returned to.

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
2. Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
6. Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
11. A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

[Urwen]

11. The Shire?

[Urwen]

6. Cerin Amroth

[Pervinca Took]

No and no.

You have to make the cryptic bits work.

[Urwen]

1. Crimson Hall for red room?

[Pervinca Took]

Never heard of a Crimson Hall.

[Urwen]

What about this quote:



https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/40866-at-the-hill-s-foot-frodo-found-aragorn-standing-still-and


Why is this quote incorrect?

[Urwen]

Oh wait, I see. 6 is Mordor (Red room - E)

[Urwen]

11. Gondor (Condor - C + G)

[Pervinca Took]

Oh wait, I see. 6 is Mordor (Red room - E)

That's better!

[Pervinca Took]

What about this quote:



https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/40866-at-the-hill-s-foot-frodo-found-aragorn-standing-still-and


Why is this quote incorrect?

I never said the quote was incorrect.

The ANSWER, though, is incorrect for this puzzle, where you have to fulfil the cryptic parts of the clue as well as the straight and themed parts.

And there could be several places to which a character did not go or did not return.

There is a specific, text-referenced reason for each answer, though. For example, Gloin at the feast in Rivendell tells Frodo he must go and see Dale now that it is restored to glory. Frodo says he will, if he ever gets the chance, but as we know, he never does.

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
HYARROSTAR: Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
MORDOR: Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
GONDOR: A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

THEME: Places one or more people (fairly notably/significantly) did not go or return to, (either on a particular occasion or ever, and sometimes in spite of intention and/or invitation).

The Dark Elves never sailed west, so did not visit Tuna or Valinor.
Elendil could not go back to any part of Numenor once it was under the sea (unless he'd invented a very powerful snorkel).
Frodo never visited Dale, although Gloin invited him to.
Aragorn never went to Mordor (at least, not before the Ring was destroyed), although he would have gone there with Frodo had Merry and Pippin not needed rescuing (as it seemed).
Bilbo never visited Gondor, although he was, of course, invited to A and A's wedding (too old; packing such a bother). Frodo would always have been welcome back there, but he was too deeply hurt and sailed west.
I believe Thrain meant to enter Moria, but he was waylaid and died in the pits of Dol Guldur.*

* Have I got this right? The bit about Thrain and Moria?

[Urwen]

I cannot find any synonyms for partition or linger which work. I also assume that the quaint fruit is fig.

[Pervinca Took]

I cannot find any synonyms for partition or linger which work. I also assume that the quaint fruit is fig.

No. Quaint and fruit are separate elements here.

You need a synonym for quaint, then a kind of fruit.

Open Google and type in 'partition synonyms.' It will take you to a dictionary definition, but with synonyms underneath.

[Urwen]

Partition synonyms: fence, wall, divider, barrier, separator......

[Pervinca Took]

Ah ....

If you google the word I want for synonyms you get partition, but it doesn't work the other way round.

[Urwen]

Then how am I supposed to know which word you want....?

[Pervinca Took]

Through common sense.

You can often work out clues if you take a little time away and come back to them fresh, instead of trying to bludgeon them all to death at once.

I used to do cryptic crosswords before going to sleep. There would nearly always be a few I couldn't do. Then I'd look at them the next evening when I wasn't so tired, or in the morning if it was a weekend, see the answer, and think 'Of course!'

But if you MUST solve it instantly, what did India acquire between itself and Pakistan and (then) East Pakistan when she was partitioned?

[Urwen]

I can't read your mind, no matter how long I wait.

[Urwen]

Line? Lindon?

[Pervinca Took]

If you travelled from India to Pakistan, what would you cross?

[Urwen]

Wagah border?

[Pervinca Took]

Just border. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

2. Aros (Sarai-Ai + O)

You had the right wife here (except you need the spelling SARAH which also existed). And you were nearly right about the exclamations. It's -A + O.

But there is one other word in that clue that you need a synonym of, before you mix everything together.

[Urwen]

Linger = stay, remain?

[Pervinca Took]

Linger = stay, remain?

Yes to linger, but can you think of a more old-fashioned synonym for it?

[Urwen]

Tarry?

[Urwen]

Hyarrostar (Sarah - A + O + Tarry)?

[Pervinca Took]

Hyarrostar (Sarah - A + O + Tarry)?

Well done, especially considering that it was the whole of Numenor Elendil did not return to, because it physically wasn't there, (or above the water, at least), and he couldn't. But as the whole also meant each part, I made this answer Hyarrostar, because I needed an H.

[Pervinca Took]

Oh dear … I've performed my old, unintended party trick and edited instead of quoted the last 'solved bits so far' version of the password. Well, never mind. I'll quote it now.

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
HYARROSTAR: Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
3. Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
MORDOR: Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
10. Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
GONDOR: A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

THEME: Places one or more people (fairly notably/significantly) did not go or return to, (either on a particular occasion or ever, and sometimes in spite of intention and/or invitation).

- The Dark Elves never sailed west, so did not visit Tuna or Valinor.
- Elendil could not go back to any part of Numenor once it was under the sea (unless he invented a very powerful snorkel).
- Frodo never visited Dale, although Gloin invited him.
- Aragorn never went to Mordor (at least, not before the Ring was destroyed), although he would have gone there with Frodo had Merry and Pippin not needed rescuing (as it seemed).
- Bilbo never visited Gondor, although he was, of course, invited to A and A's wedding (too old; packing such a bother). Frodo would always have been welcome back there, but he was too deeply hurt and sailed west.
- I believe Thrain meant to enter Moria, but he was waylaid and died in the pits of Dol Guldur.*

* Have I got this right? The bit about Thrain and Moria?

[Urwen]

The border clue still eludes me.....

[Urwen]

10. Shire (from Buckinghamshire)?

[Pervinca Took]

Look up the name of the studios where the Carry On films were shot.

BORDER - remove one of the letters that could be a note, replace it with another note, and scramble it.

[Urwen]

Pinewood?



But there is no place in ME called that.

[Urwen]

I see.



3. Erebor (Border-D+E)

[Pervinca Took]

'Good morning!' said Bilbo. `Feel ready for the great council?' `I feel ready for anything,' answered Frodo. `But most of all I should like to go walking today and explore the valley. I should like to get into those pine-woods up there.' He pointed away far up the side of Rivendell to the north. 'You may have a chance later,' said Gandalf. `But we cannot make any plans yet.'

I suppose he never went in the end. He might have, but once the weight of Middle-earth was truly on his shoulders …? It's said that he spent as much time as possible with Bilbo. Would Bilbo have been up to exploring pine woods?

'Severally' just means make PINEWOOD (as in Studios) plural.

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
HYARROSTAR: Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
EREBOR: Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
MORDOR: Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
PINE-WOODS: Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
GONDOR: A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

THEME: Places one or more people (fairly notably/significantly) did not go or return to, (either on a particular occasion or ever, and sometimes in spite of intention and/or invitation).

The Dark Elves never sailed west, so did not visit Tuna or Valinor.

Elendil could not go back to any part of Numenor once it was under the sea (unless he invented a very powerful snorkel).

Frodo never visited Dale or Erebor, although Gloin invited him.

Aragorn never went to Mordor (at least, not before the Ring was destroyed), although he would have gone there with Frodo had Merry and Pippin not needed rescuing (as it seemed).

'Good morning!' said Bilbo. `Feel ready for the great council?' `I feel ready for anything,' answered Frodo. `But most of all I should like to go walking today and explore the valley. I should like to get into those pine-woods up there.' He pointed away far up the side of Rivendell to the north. 'You may have a chance later,' said Gandalf. `But we cannot make any plans yet.' … I suppose he never went in the end. He might have, but once the weight of Middle-earth was truly on his shoulders …? It's said that he spent as much time as possible with Bilbo. Would Bilbo have been up to exploring pine woods?

Bilbo never visited Gondor, although he was, of course, invited to A and A's wedding (too old; packing such a bother). Frodo would always have been welcome back there, but he was too deeply hurt and sailed west.

I believe Thrain meant to enter Moria, but he was waylaid and died in the pits of Dol Guldur.*

* Have I got this right? The bit about Thrain and Moria?

[Urwen]

Actually, he did go to Mordor once. He was there at the challenge before the Black Gate.

[Pervinca Took]

Not into it, though, so I think my clue still holds.

Also, the theme is broad and can also mean people not going somewhere at a particular, notable time, or not going back there for a reason. After all, Frodo DID go to Gondor.

[Urwen]

And it's your turn to make a riddle too.

[Pervinca Took]

New page.

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
HYARROSTAR: Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
EREBOR: Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
4. A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
MORDOR: Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
7. Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
8. Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
9. Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
PINE-WOODS: Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
GONDOR: A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
14. Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

THEME: Places one or more people (fairly notably/significantly) did not go or return to, (either on a particular occasion or ever, and sometimes in spite of intention and/or invitation).

The Dark Elves never sailed west, so did not visit Tuna or Valinor.

Elendil could not go back to any part of Numenor once it was under the sea (unless he invented a very powerful snorkel).

Frodo never visited Dale or Erebor, although Gloin invited him.

Aragorn never went to Mordor (at least, not before the Ring was destroyed), although he would have gone there with Frodo had Merry and Pippin not needed rescuing (as it seemed).

'Good morning!' said Bilbo. `Feel ready for the great council?' `I feel ready for anything,' answered Frodo. `But most of all I should like to go walking today and explore the valley. I should like to get into those pine-woods up there.' He pointed away far up the side of Rivendell to the north. 'You may have a chance later,' said Gandalf. `But we cannot make any plans yet.' … I suppose he never went in the end. He might have, but once the weight of Middle-earth was truly on his shoulders …? It's said that he spent as much time as possible with Bilbo. Would Bilbo have been up to exploring pine woods?

Bilbo never visited Gondor, although he was, of course, invited to A and A's wedding (too old; packing such a bother). Frodo would always have been welcome back there, but he was too deeply hurt and sailed west.

I believe Thrain meant to enter Moria, but he was waylaid and died in the pits of Dol Guldur.*

* Have I got this right? The bit about Thrain and Moria?

[Urwen]

Password: The Golden Glow?

[Urwen]

Tile = slab?

[Pervinca Took]

Password: The Golden Glow?

No.

Tile remains tile.

[Urwen]

Old-fashioned = archaic?

[Urwen]

Password: The Floating Log?

[Pervinca Took]

Old-fashioned = archaic?

No. There's a word meaning old-fashioned in a sweet way.

You can actually find it in the wording of one of the still unsolved clues.

[Urwen]

I see.

8. Taniquetil (Tile+Quaint)

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
HYARROSTAR: Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
EREBOR: Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
???F??? A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
MORDOR: Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
???A??? Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
TANIQUETIL: Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
???I??? Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
PINE-WOODS: Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
GONDOR: A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
???G??? Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

THEME: Places one or more people (fairly notably/significantly) did not go or return to, (either on a particular occasion or ever, and sometimes in spite of intention and/or invitation).

The Dark Elves never sailed west, so did not visit Tuna, Taniquetil or Valinor.

Elendil could not go back to any part of Numenor once it was under the sea (unless he invented a very powerful snorkel).

Frodo never visited Dale or Erebor, although Gloin invited him.

Aragorn never went to Mordor (at least, not before the Ring was destroyed), although he would have gone there with Frodo had Merry and Pippin not needed rescuing (as it seemed).

'Good morning!' said Bilbo. `Feel ready for the great council?' `I feel ready for anything,' answered Frodo. `But most of all I should like to go walking today and explore the valley. I should like to get into those pine-woods up there.' He pointed away far up the side of Rivendell to the north. 'You may have a chance later,' said Gandalf. `But we cannot make any plans yet.' … I suppose he never went in the end. He might have, but once the weight of Middle-earth was truly on his shoulders …? It's said that he spent as much time as possible with Bilbo. Would Bilbo have been up to exploring pine woods?

Bilbo never visited Gondor, although he was, of course, invited to A and A's wedding (too old; packing such a bother). Frodo would always have been welcome back there, but he was too deeply hurt and sailed west.

I believe Thrain meant to enter Moria, but he was waylaid and died in the pits of Dol Guldur.*

THE FLOATING LOG: The four hobbits meant to go here when they returned to the Shire, but things weren't well in the Shire and they didn't.

* Have I got this right? The bit about Thrain and Moria?

[Urwen]

Try my riddle. It's easier than you think.

[Mithalwen]

Imladris for Boromir?

[Pervinca Took]

There is an Imladris in the set, but it's not for Boromir.

[Urwen]

9. Imladris (Raid+Slim)

[Urwen]

And no one willing to try my riddle?

[Urwen]

And why was I in Imladris surrounded by '?'s? I thought you don't do that for first letters, only for ones that aren't first. :confused:

[Pervinca Took]

And why was I in Imladris surrounded by '?'s? I thought you don't do that for first letters, only for ones that aren't first. :confused:

As I've said before, I do it when it's a random letters password. It might be first, it might be last, it might be middle.

When they're ALL first letter, I put them all first.

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
HYARROSTAR: Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
EREBOR: Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
???F??? A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
MORDOR: Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
MINAS TIRITH: Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
TANIQUETIL: Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
IMLADRIS: Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
PINE-WOODS: Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
GONDOR: A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
THE GOLDEN PERCH: Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

THEME: Places one or more people (fairly notably/significantly) did not go or return to, (either on a particular occasion or ever, and sometimes in spite of intention and/or invitation).

PASSWORD: THE FLOATING LOG

The Dark Elves never sailed west, so did not visit Tuna, Taniquetil or Valinor.

Elendil could not go back to any part of Numenor once it was under the sea (unless he invented a very powerful snorkel).

Frodo never visited Dale or Erebor, although Gloin invited him.

Aragorn never went to Mordor (at least, not before the Ring was destroyed), although he would have gone there with Frodo had Merry and Pippin not needed rescuing (as it seemed).

Boromir died at Parth Galen, so did not return to .inas Tirith as he intended.

Frodo said he would come back to Imladris soon, to see Bilbo, but Elrond said he thought he would not need to, unless he came back very soon ... and this proved to be right.

'Good morning!' said Bilbo. `Feel ready for the great council?' `I feel ready for anything,' answered Frodo. `But most of all I should like to go walking today and explore the valley. I should like to get into those pine-woods up there.' He pointed away far up the side of Rivendell to the north. 'You may have a chance later,' said Gandalf. `But we cannot make any plans yet.' … I suppose he never went in the end. He might have, but once the weight of Middle-earth was truly on his shoulders …? It's said that he spent as much time as possible with Bilbo. Would Bilbo have been up to exploring pine woods?

Bilbo never visited Gondor, although he was, of course, invited to A and A's wedding (too old; packing such a bother). Frodo would always have been welcome back there, but he was too deeply hurt and sailed west.

I believe Thrain meant to enter Moria, but he was waylaid and died in the pits of Dol Guldur.*

Pippin wanted to reach The Golden Perch at Stock by sundown, for the best beer in the Eastfarthing, but Frodo insisted on them taking a short-cut instead.

THE FLOATING LOG: The four hobbits meant to go here when they returned to the Shire, but things weren't well in the Shire and they didn't.

* Have I got this right? The bit about Thrain and Moria?

[Urwen]

And no one willing to try my riddle?


It's not hard.....


If you prefer a different one, say so. :(

[Pervinca Took]

It's not hard.....


If you prefer a different one, say so. :(

It's more a time thing, Urwen. I participate in the Password thread a lot, because it's my favourite one, and I enjoy the distraction, but keeping up with two threads when I'm busy is difficult. I have solved and contributed 5 riddles over the past two weeks, though!

[Urwen]

It's more a time thing, Urwen. I participate in the Password thread a lot, because it's my favourite one, and I enjoy the distraction, but keeping up with two threads when I'm busy is difficult. I have solved and contributed 5 riddles over the past two weeks, though!


I am talking about everyone. No one wants to play it anymore, not even Huey, who used to specialize in these. And if they don't have time/are too busy to answer stuff, then they shouldn't log on here, period.

[Pervinca Took]

That's not very fair, Urwen. You can't deny people the right to log on and read! It takes a lot longer to formulate and type a reply. No-one should feel compelled to do that if they're not ready.

[Urwen]

If they claim they're too busy to reply, they are too busy to log on as well. And giving others false hope isn't fair either.

[Urwen]

And it's summer. People should be more free during summer, not less.

[Urwen]

And yes, Huinesoron, I stand by what I said. Given the mean things you said about Lomion, you have no right to complain either.

[Huinesoron]

I am talking about everyone. No one wants to play it anymore, not even Huey, who used to specialize in these. And if they don't have time/are too busy to answer stuff, then they shouldn't log on here, period.

If they claim they're too busy to reply, they are too busy to log on as well. And giving others false hope isn't fair either.

And it's summer. People should be more free during summer, not less.

I think if you sit back and think about it for a while, you'll realise that 'if you're not going to play games with me then stay off the site' is a... well, frankly terrible message to be giving out.

Nothing gives you the right to police my usage of the forum. In the spirit of cooperation, however: when you see me appear for a minute or two (or five) and disappear, it's because I've pulled up the Downs on my phone to see if there's any new posts to read in the top few sub-forums. Sometimes I'll also click through to the most recent thread in Quizzes, usually to see how the password's going, but I'm not going to try and reply to anything on a phone keyboard unless it really jumps out and grabs me.

If you're seeing me on for a long time, it's probably because I've forgotten to close the tab on my phone. It happens.

As for 'more free during summer' - sadly, work doesn't follow the holidays we all got used to at school and uni. I'm still stuck in my office five days a week, and with the good weather to hand, we can finally go out places at the weekends. It's nice.

hS

[Huinesoron]

And yes, Huinesoron, I stand by what I said. Given the mean things you said about Lomion, you have no right to complain either.

... what?

Could you please clarify what you mean by this.

hS

[Urwen]

... what?

Could you please clarify what you mean by this.

hS


You said he is an evil villain who'll never be redeemed and whose death was entirely justified. Not nice. Not nice at all.

[Urwen]

You used to play these games rather frequently two months ago.

[Urwen]

And I'll have you know I go to work too, have been going for the past month or so, and I still have ample time to check this forum and reply to threads.

[Pervinca Took]

You used to play these games rather frequently two months ago.

Maybe people need a break now and then? There is such a thing as burnout!

Posting things like that will make people not want to come back at all.

Grievances in another thread really should be kept to that thread. Apart from anything else, no-one new will want to join in if all they see is bickering.

This is supposed to be fun, and a hobby.

[Pervinca Took]

And I'll have you know I go to work too, have been going for the past month or so, and I still have ample time to check this forum and reply to threads.

That's great, but there are other commitments beside work. And if I had kids I would not be here nearly as much.

But let's move on, yes? Good to hear about the job, and I hope it's going well.

[Huinesoron]

But let's move on, yes?

Good idea; sorry.

So we're down to three clues:

???F??? A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
???A??? Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
???G??? Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

Boromir notably was not seen again in Minas Tirith, and I can see that name contains all of STRAIT... and the leftover letters spell HIM IN. So MINAS TIRITH.

Where did Pippin not go? I feel like this might be tied up in their various adventures around Rohan. I thought it might be something from his chat with Bergil, but the proposal there was to travel to Lossarnach, which doesn't have a G in it.

And Tolkien? I do seem to faintly recall a 'I have never visited', but I'm wondering if this might be more of a 'my father never came back to the story of [whatever]'. In which case the obvious answer would be the Fall of Gondolin, but I can't see how to pull that from the clue.

A 'German baptism unit' could be a way of saying 'the German for "font"', which appears to be [Tauf]becken.

hS

[Morsul the Dark]

Pippin never went to Belgium. That answer is clearly Belgium

[Pervinca Took]

Pippin never went to Belgium. That answer is clearly Belgium

Great answer, but ...

... Pippin really wanted to go somewhere specific at one point, but he wasn't alone, and the others did not agree to it, so they didn't.

Well done hS for getting MINAS TIRITH ... maybe the hardest one. It is, indeed, HIM IN STRAIT scrambled.

You are going to kick yourselves over the Tolkien clue!

hS, you could try treating 'German one' and 'baptism unit' as separate elements. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Pippin never went to Belgium. That answer is clearly Belgium

He might possibly have wanted to go to Belgium for a similar reason. :D

I won't repost the puzzle just now, because it's very long with the explanations. But I have entered MINAS TIRITH in the latest version, upthread.

[Huinesoron]

You are going to kick yourselves over the Tolkien clue!

hS, you could try treating 'German one' and 'baptism unit' as separate elements. ;)

I do that. Like, all the time.

So... EIN(E) + FONT + a spy + a note. ... this isn't getting me anywhere.

Great answer, but ...

... Pippin really wanted to go somewhere specific at one point, but he wasn't alone, and the others did not agree to it, so they didn't.

He might possibly have wanted to go to Belgium for a similar reason. :D

Of course! Gammer Proudfoot's chocolate shop! (What? That's why I go to Belgium...)

I'm thinking now of the GOLDEN PERCH down at Stock (best beer in the Eastfarthing!). Perch is PEACH with an 'unusual core'... ah, and it's G + OLDEN, for 'note quaint'. And I guess the article means it's THE Golden Perch.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

BINGO!

(Regarding 'The Golden Perch). :)

Entered upthread.

One clue to go!

[Mithalwen]

Bloemfontein? Tolkien never went back to his birthplace AFAIK. Can’t get spy to work but font and ein are there.

[Pervinca Took]

Bloemfontein? Tolkien never went back to his birthplace AFAIK. Can’t get spy to work but font and ein are there.

EIN + FONT + MOLE + B = BLOEMFONTEIN, indeed.

Well done all.

And over to Urwen!

[Pervinca Took]

TUNA: A dark fish for a hill? (Dark Elves).
HYARROSTAR: Linger, wife of Abraham! Switch an exclamation, and take a turn about here! (Elendil)
EREBOR: Partition switches note and meanders. (Frodo).
BLOEMFONTEIN: A German baptism unit and a spy, note! How it all twists around here! (Tolkien).
DALE: Note boy returning here, (or show surprise to him, in Yorkshire!) (Frodo).
MORDOR: Disemvowelled red room in a mess around here! (Aragorn).
MINAS TIRITH: Leave him in singularly dire straits, when they all mingle here? (Boromir).
TANIQUETIL: Sweetly old-fashioned tile broken here? (Dark Elves).
IMLADRIS: Rob thin person? No, place. Confused? (Frodo)
PINE-WOODS: Place to shoot Carry On films, severally. (Frodo). *
GONDOR: A bird changes its note here. (Bilbo & Frodo).
VALINOR: The first of November! Behold, heraldic fur! Scramble for it! (Dark Elves).
MORIA: A dwarf in his rightful place, with his mother surrounding him? (Thrain).
THE GOLDEN PERCH: Note quaint fruit with an unusual core, after an article here. (Pippin).

* Probably/possibly

THEME: Places one or more people (fairly notably/significantly) did not go or return to, (either on a particular occasion or ever, and sometimes in spite of intention and/or invitation).

PASSWORD: THE FLOATING LOG

The Dark Elves never sailed west, so did not visit Tuna, Taniquetil or Valinor.

Elendil could not go back to any part of Numenor once it was under the sea (unless he invented a very powerful snorkel).

Frodo never visited Dale or Erebor, although Gloin invited him.

Tolkien never went back to his birthplace of Bloemfontein.

Aragorn never went into Mordor (at least, not before the Ring was destroyed), although he would have gone there with Frodo had Merry and Pippin not needed rescuing (as it seemed).

Boromir died at Parth Galen, so did not return to Minas Tirith as he intended.

Frodo said he would come back to Imladris soon, to see Bilbo, but Elrond said he thought he would not need to, unless he came back very soon ... and this proved to be right.

'Good morning!' said Bilbo. `Feel ready for the great council?' `I feel ready for anything,' answered Frodo. `But most of all I should like to go walking today and explore the valley. I should like to get into those pine-woods up there.' He pointed away far up the side of Rivendell to the north. 'You may have a chance later,' said Gandalf. `But we cannot make any plans yet.' … I suppose he never went in the end. He might have, but once the weight of Middle-earth was truly on his shoulders …? It's said that he spent as much time as possible with Bilbo. Would Bilbo have been up to exploring pine woods?

Bilbo never visited Gondor, although he was, of course, invited to A and A's wedding (too old; packing such a bother). Frodo would always have been welcome back there, but he was too deeply hurt and sailed west.

I believe Thrain meant to enter Moria, but he was waylaid and died in the pits of Dol Guldur.*

Pippin wanted to reach The Golden Perch at Stock by sundown, for the best beer in the Eastfarthing, but Frodo insisted on them taking a short-cut instead.

THE FLOATING LOG: The four hobbits meant to go here when they returned to the Shire, but things weren't well in the Shire and they didn't.

* Have I got this right? The bit about Thrain and Moria?

ALL SOLVED ... OVER TO URWEN!

BLOEMFONTEIN = B + MOLE + FONT + EIN (mixed up a bit).

[Urwen]

I managed to put this one together, and it's all first letters. Hope you enjoy it.

1. Son of Jacob, combine with a hard-shelled fruit and a pronoun, chaotically, for her.
2. To find him, put together his kind's dwelling and a gale, tumultuosly.
3. Note a cliff; it's all in a muddle for him.
4. Initially, life of mine precedes an electrically charged particle for him.
5. Chaotically, religious women and an American organization reveal him.
6. Note, he is a confused noble.
7. A gaseous element precedes a confused bird for her.

[Pervinca Took]

No clue 1?

[Pervinca Took]

2. HOLE + WIND = HOLDWINE?

(Name given to Merry in Rohan).

[Urwen]

Sorry, fixed.

[Urwen]

1. Son of Jacob, combine with a hard-shelled fruit and a pronoun, chaotically, for her.
HOLDWINE: To find him, put together his kind's dwelling and a gale, tumultuosly.
3. Note a cliff; it's all in a muddle for him.
4. Initially, life of mine precedes an electrically charged particle for him.
5. Chaotically, religious women and an American organization reveal him.
6. Note, he is a confused noble.
7. A gaseous element precedes a confused bird for her.

[Pervinca Took]

7. Ne(on) + wren = Nerwen?

[Urwen]

1. Son of Jacob, combine with a hard-shelled fruit and a pronoun, chaotically, for her.
HOLDWINE: To find him, put together his kind's dwelling and a gale, tumultuosly.
3. Note a cliff; it's all in a muddle for him.
4. Initially, life of mine precedes an electrically charged particle for him.
5. Chaotically, religious women and an American organization reveal him.
6. Note, he is a confused noble.
NERWEN: A gaseous element precedes a confused bird for her.

[Pervinca Took]

4. L O M + ION = Lomion.

[Pervinca Took]

Tinuviel.

Levi + nut + I.


PASSWORD: Maybe THALION?

[Urwen]

TINUVIEL: Son of Jacob, combine with a hard-shelled fruit and a pronoun, chaotically, for her.
HOLDWINE: To find him, put together his kind's dwelling and a gale, tumultuosly.
A: Note a cliff; it's all in a muddle for him.
LOMION: Initially, life of mine precedes an electrically charged particle for him.
I: Chaotically, religious women and an American organization reveal him.
O: Note, he is a confused noble.
NERWEN: A gaseous element precedes a confused bird for her.

[Pervinca Took]

NUNS + CIA = INCANUS.

Is there a theme this time, Urwen?

[Urwen]

Yes, there is. Think about what all the answers so far ARE.

[Pervinca Took]

All steadfast? (The meaning of 'Thalion').

[Urwen]

No, it has to do with names.

[Pervinca Took]

NUNS + CIA = INCANUS.

Is there a theme this time, Urwen?

1. Is Incanus correct?

2. Is the theme that they are all epesses, not birth-names?

3. O: Note, he is a confused noble - Is this ORALD? LORD + A, confused.

[Urwen]

TINUVIEL: Son of Jacob, combine with a hard-shelled fruit and a pronoun, chaotically, for her.
HOLDWINE: To find him, put together his kind's dwelling and a gale, tumultuosly.
A: Note a cliff; it's all in a muddle for him.
LOMION: Initially, life of mine precedes an electrically charged particle for him.
INCANUS: Chaotically, religious women and an American organization reveal him.
ORALD: Note, he is a confused noble.
NERWEN: A gaseous element precedes a confused bird for her.

THEME: Epesses/other names given to characters

[Pervinca Took]

Hmmm.

Ollo/oldo seem to be elvish for cliff.

No actual cliff names - real or Tolkien ones - come to mind.

Scar/scarp etc don't work either.

I have a couple of possible epesses, but I can't make the elements work for them.

[Urwen]

Not Elvish, English. There is an english synonym for a cliff that will make it work.

[Urwen]

Do you need a hint?

[Pervinca Took]

I'm afraid I do.

Aranel
Alatariel

and one ending in 'maite' that I've forgotten are all epesses, but resolutely cliffless, as far as I can see.

[Urwen]

Hint: Remember mah house.

[Pervinca Took]

The house of Hurin?

[Pervinca Took]

Oh ... HEADLAND!

Making it not Agarwaen, but ADANEDHEL.

[Urwen]

TINUVIEL: Son of Jacob, combine with a hard-shelled fruit and a pronoun, chaotically, for her.
HOLDWINE: To find him, put together his kind's dwelling and a gale, tumultuosly.
ADANEDHEL: Note a cliff; it's all in a muddle for him.
LOMION: Initially, life of mine precedes an electrically charged particle for him.
INCANUS: Chaotically, religious women and an American organization reveal him.
ORALD: Note, he is a confused noble.
NERWEN: A gaseous element precedes a confused bird for her.

THEME: Epesses/other names given to characters

[Urwen]

Well done, and it's yours.


Could I get a single hint for your riddle, pls?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes ... the answer (surprise, surprise!) is much more hobbitlike than what you guessed.

And since my laptop is less than a yard away from me, you can have the next password in a few minutes ... check this post, which I will edit.

…

Told you! :)

1. Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
2. The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
3. A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
4. Find him appearing in rude films?
5. Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
6. A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
7. Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
8. See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

[Urwen]

2. Arwen

[Urwen]

3. Peregrin, from peregrination? Or Tuor, from tour?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
ARWEN: The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
ROUT: A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
4. Find him appearing in rude films?
5. Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
6. A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
7. Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
8. See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

[Urwen]

5. Nerwen (Ween+N+R)

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
ARWEN: The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
ROUT: A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
4. Find him appearing in rude films?
NERWEN: Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
6. A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
7. Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
8. See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

[Urwen]

So 8 is Silver+Meter?

[Urwen]

4. Derufin (In+Rude+F)

[Urwen]

And for 1, Hale+Trah?

[Pervinca Took]

So 8 is Silver+Meter?

Silver, yes. Meter, no.

No to 1 and 4.

[Urwen]

Ah. 8 is Celebrindal. Those are metrical feet.

[Pervinca Took]

1. Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
ARWEN: The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
ROUT: A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
4. Find him appearing in rude films?
NERWEN: Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
6. A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
7. Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
SILVER-FOOT: See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

C S Lewis: "But myths are lies, though lies breathed through silver."

[Pervinca Took]

And for 1, Hale+Trah?

Actually, HALE is the right element for 'well.'

It's not the 'literal' kind of rubbish, though, but rubbish as in 'no good.'

[Urwen]

I've checked everything, and no name fits.

[Urwen]

Hints please?

Also, you are being slightly unfair. I offered you hints freely without you asking because I noticed you were struggling, and yet you don't do the same.

Well, next time I won't give you hints, no matter how much you are struggling.

[Pervinca Took]

I've checked everything, and no name fits.

If 'checked everything' means looked at synonym websites, I'm not surprised you haven't found anything.

If it isn't on Tolkien Gateway, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You might also try following the order of the elements in the clue, because I always put things in the order they appear in the answer, unless there's an anagram indicator.

So HALE is right, but it needs a little scrambling. And something needs to go before it.

It's not that hard. It's an answer we've had quite recently.

'What a load of *****!' A modern expression, meaning rubbish/nonsense/no good.

Or

''This film is *****!'

(Not a swear word).

[Urwen]

Worst? Crock?

[Pervinca Took]

It's also something you can wear.

[Urwen]

Tosh - sh = To


To+Hale

[Pervinca Took]

It means an undergarment over here.

I believe it means trousers in America.

[Urwen]

.....It's not THONG again, is it?

[Huinesoron]

PANTS - S + HALE = PANTHAEL, ie 'Fullwise'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

PANTHAEL: Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
ARWEN: The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
ROUT: A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
4. Find him appearing in rude films?
NERWEN: Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
6. A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
7. Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
SILVER-FOOT: See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

Panthael it is. An epesse of Samwise.

[Urwen]

Password: Paronyms?

[Pervinca Took]

No. What's a paronym?

....

Ah. A word that is a derivative of another.

Not the answer, anyway. Try again! It's not hard.

[Urwen]

Parsnips?


This one has no theme, I guess, then.

[Huinesoron]

Parsnips?


This one has no theme, I guess, then.

I think it does, and I think I know both the theme and the password.

If #4 is TELEPORNO...

... then the password is PARTNERS, the theme is married couples, and the remaining two answers are names of Aragorn and Rosie respectively.

(I'm kind of drawn to TELCONTAR for #6, since it includes most of 'train', but it's only most, and 'telco' looks tricky to get 'jealousy' from.)

hS

[Huinesoron]

Ah, 6 is A + ENVY + TRAIN = ENVINYATAR, 'the Renewer', or Aragorn at his most Jesusy.

7 starts with R, so looks like Rose or Rosie; 'Willow loses incentive' sounds like you remove will to get 'ow', but I can't for the life of me see a way from there to an answer.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

PANTHAEL: Rubbish without sibilance; well but confused. There he is!
ARWEN: The car went last. (Gandalf and Aragorn were in the van, remember). But look inside and see her.
ROUT: A round trip reveals him. Then he returns.
TELEPORNO: Find him appearing in rude films?
NERWEN: Think archaically, take two paths, and circulate to find her.
ENVINYATAR: A jealousy over a locomotive worsens before he is revealed.
ROSE: Willow loses incentive, initially, but then winds itself around her.
SILVER-FOOT: See where the legend lies, breathed through this, and join it to an iambus, a trochee, an anapaest or a dactyl. For her.

A jealousy over a locomotive is, indeed, A TRAIN ENVY.

OSIER - I = ROSE. (You lose the initial of 'incentive').

The fact that I ran TUOR backwards instead of using a different name and used SILVER-FOOT because Celebrindal did not fit was a big clue to the theme being partners ... and why would I do that if I were not trying to fit answers to a theme?

Over to Huinesoron!

[Huinesoron]

Whoo! Thanks for that; I would never have got osier.

For this one, I will tell you that all the answers are people, and all of them are by their usual name.

1. Here we are held in bondage.
2. Black is my blame.
3. I hunger still.
4. The West has failed.
5. Now I cannot forget them.
6. My pride has fallen.
7. My dread is beyond enduring.

Good luck!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Are they all speeches said by one person - the person who said it being the answer?

Frodo said 'The West has failed,' in the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

Others might have said it too, perhaps? Denethor, maybe? Saruman? Not sure.

…

Is 'I hunger still' Ungoliant?

[Huinesoron]

Are they all speeches said by one person - the person who said it being the answer?

Frodo said 'The West has failed,' in the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

Others might have said it too, perhaps? Denethor, maybe? Saruman? Not sure.

…

Is 'I hunger still' Ungoliant?

They are indeed; they're also on a theme.

1. Here we are held in bondage.
2. Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
5. Now I cannot forget them.
6. My pride has fallen.
7. My dread is beyond enduring.

It's part of Denethor's monologue to Gandalf when he's trying to set everything on fire. I didn't even remember that Frodo says it too.

hS

[Urwen]

1. Feanor, spoken in Aman?

[Urwen]

Oh, it wasn't Feanor, but that person I am obsessed with.

[Urwen]

6. Isildur

[Urwen]

Password: Maudlin?

[Huinesoron]

Oh, it wasn't Feanor, but that person I am obsessed with.

Oh, yeah, him; what was his name again?

6. Isildur

Correct.

Password: Maudlin?

Aaaand there it goes.

MAEGLIN Here we are held in bondage.
A -- Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
L -- Now I cannot forget them.
ISILDUR My pride has fallen.
N -- My dread is beyond enduring.

Theme: O WOE IS ME

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Is A Agarwaen, another cheery soul?

[Pervinca Took]

L = Lobelia, fretting about the other spoons she didn't manage to nick. :D

[Huinesoron]

Is A Agarwaen, another cheery soul?

L = Lobelia, fretting about the other spoons she didn't manage to nick. :D

Neither of these (cheeky so-and-so); I could never include Turin and still say 'their usual name' with a straight face!

hS

[Urwen]

7. Nienor?

[Pervinca Took]

Neither of these (cheeky so-and-so); I could never include Turin and still say 'their usual name' with a straight face!

hS

Sorry. I forgot that you'd said no nicknames/epesses.

[Pervinca Took]

Ancalagon?

(Washing machines (don't) last longer with Ancalagon).

Although I can't remember a specific example of this, is L Legolas with regard to the (sound of the) waves?

[Huinesoron]

7. Nienor?

Yup.

Ancalagon?

(Washing machines (don't) last longer with Ancalagon).

Snort. :rolleyes:

Although I can't remember a specific example of this, is L Legolas with regard to the (sound of the) waves?

I think it's the gulls rather than the waves, but yep, that's the one.

MAEGLIN Here we are held in bondage.
A -- Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
LEGOLAS -- Now I cannot forget them.
ISILDUR My pride has fallen.
NIENOR -- My dread is beyond enduring.

Theme: O WOE IS ME

One to go, and he's the least self-pitying of the lot; I believe the quote is actually part of a conditional 'If that is so, then black is my blame...'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe Aragorn.

For ... er ... farting in that room they slept in so the Nazgul thought they'd left the Pony?

[Huinesoron]

Maybe Aragorn.

For ... er ... farting in that room they slept in so the Nazgul thought they'd left the Pony?

-_- No.

hS

[Urwen]

Aldarion is the right answer. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, he would have been my next guess. :D

Oh, hang on ... Frodo says 'The QUEST has failed.'

[Huinesoron]

Aldarion is the right answer. ;)

MAEGLIN - Here we are held in bondage.
ALDARION - Black is my blame.
UNGOLIANT - I hunger still.
DENETHOR - The West has failed.
LEGOLAS - Now I cannot forget them.
ISILDUR - My pride has fallen.
NIENOR - My dread is beyond enduring.

Theme: O WOE IS ME

He is, and he's busy whining about how his wife doesn't like him any more.

Password goes to you, Urwen.

hS

[Urwen]

The idea for this theme is Pervinca's.

1. A dizzy insect within a palindrome? He is there.
2. A chaotical month surrounds a brief country, for her.
3. A confused gang-member reveals him.
4. A returning element is inside a measuring unit, after a rodent. See her!
5. A disoriented country and returning musical symbol reveal him.

Thanks for the theme idea, Pervinca!

[Pervinca Took]

Is 4 TAR-MIRIEL?

RAT backwards; IR (Iridium?) inside MILE.

...

Is 1 GOTHMOG? MOTH inside GOG (a palindrome, if not an actual word. Although it's the nickname of a character in a late 70's children's programme set near Newcastle, called 'The Paper Lads').

[Urwen]

GOTHMOG: A dizzy insect within a palindrome? He is there.
2. A chaotical month surrounds a brief country, for her.
3. A confused gang-member reveals him.
TAR-MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a measuring unit, after a rodent. See her!
5. A disoriented country and returning musical symbol reveal him.

[Pervinca Took]

HURIN for the password?

[Pervinca Took]

BARDING (descendant of Bard?) is a synonym of BRIGAND.

[Urwen]

GOTHMOG: A dizzy insect within a palindrome? He is there.
??U??: A chaotical month surrounds a brief country, for her.
??R??: A confused gang-member reveals him.
TAR-MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a measuring unit, after a rodent. See her!
??N??: A disoriented country and returning musical symbol reveal him.

No, not Barding. There is a different synonym for a gang-member. ;)

(Also, 2 and 3 are connected by more than just the theme. ;))

[Pervinca Took]

Is the gang-member simply Turin, because he was one?

[Urwen]

Is the gang-member simply Turin, because he was one?


Nope. I gave you a big hint.

[Pervinca Took]

DROGO, from DROOG? (Good job I like 'A Clockwork Orange!')

PRIMULA ... Yes, that has APRIL surrounding ... MU. Can't think offhand of a country that starts that way, but ....

[Urwen]

It's a country abbreviation for Mauritius.

[Urwen]

GOTHMOG: A dizzy insect within a palindrome? He is there.
PRIMULA: A chaotical month surrounds a brief country, for her.
DROGO: A confused gang-member reveals him.
TAR-MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a measuring unit, after a rodent. See her!
??N??: A disoriented country and returning musical symbol reveal him.

Can you guess the theme?

[Pervinca Took]

Three are connected to water and one to fire, but I don't recall Hurin being connected to either. Unless he was in the Battle of Sudden Flame.

[Urwen]

Three are connected to water and one to fire, but I don't recall Hurin being connected to either. Unless he was in the Battle of Sudden Flame.

Wrong, it has to do with manner of their deaths.

[Pervinca Took]

OK. They all drowned.

I hadn't realised that Hurin and Gothmog drowned.

[Pervinca Took]

I wonder if 'returning' means in the sense of being a palindrome, and the musical symbol is 'minim.'

[Urwen]

Nope. The musical symbol is something we used in our clues frequently.

[Pervinca Took]

AMANDIL did not return. I guess he either drowned or died of thirst or starvation.

A LAND MI.

[Urwen]

Nope. Think! Which musical symbol do we frequently use in clues in this thread?

[Pervinca Took]

Well ... notes.

Not clefs or keys or flats or sharps, as I recall.

[Urwen]

Exactly. You know this, so use it.

[Pervinca Took]

Exactly. You know this, so use it.

I did. MI is a note. I used it in Amandil.

GORLIM has MI returning. GORL sounds like GAUL, an old name for France.

Yes, I know it's not right. He is cruelly put to death, but we are not told how.

But the only other two named males I can think of who drowned are AMROTH (no N) and AR-PHARAZON. Hang on. He has ROHAN for a country. Is ZAP musical, though? ;)

[Huinesoron]

I think it might be the actual word NOTE. The clue suggests it's backwards rather than scrambled; are there any names ending with ETON?

(Isildur also drowned, but that's not much help. Arguably so did Deagol, but again...)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think it might be the actual word NOTE. The clue suggests it's backwards rather than scrambled; are there any names ending with ETON?

(Isildur also drowned, but that's not much help. Arguably so did Deagol, but again...)

hS

I thought of Isildur, but I thought the orc-arrows were what killed him. And of Deagol, but the culprits there were Gollum's fingers.

Does anyone drown in any of the poems or smaller/non-M-e works?

People who dare to knock on the door of the Mewlips 'sink into the slime,' but that doesn't of itself guarantee full drowning.

[Urwen]

Here is one hint that would make it easy: 5 is 1's killer.

[Pervinca Took]

Ecthelion.

Note + Chile.

[Urwen]

GOTHMOG: A dizzy insect within a palindrome? He is there.
PRIMULA: A chaotical month surrounds a brief country, for her.
DROGO: A confused gang-member reveals him.
TAR-MIRIEL: A returning element is inside a measuring unit, after a rodent. See her!
ECTHELION: A disoriented country and returning musical symbol reveal him.

THEME: Characters who died by drowning

Over to Pervinca!

[Pervinca Took]

Here we are, then:

1. ‘Goodness me, my lettuce-draining implement!’ we seem to hear him cry, (roughly speaking).
2. He’s not nearly as stern as he sounds.
3. He failed to meet her, we hear, beneath Henry Irving’s lissom larches. (Initially).
4. For him: an actress from ‘Alfie’ – pale warmth circulates - and a fireplace sings differently, and in disharmony.
5. French king returns – hear a word of praise for him!

[Urwen]

3. Underhill?

[Pervinca Took]

Give me more.

[Urwen]

Mister (sounds like 'missed her') Underhill (already explained)

[Pervinca Took]

1. ‘Goodness me, my lettuce-draining implement!’ we seem to hear him cry, (roughly speaking).
2. He’s not nearly as stern as he sounds.
MR UNDERHILL: He failed to meet her, we hear, beneath Henry Irving’s lissom larches. (Initially).
4. For him: an actress from ‘Alfie’ – pale warmth circulates - and a fireplace sings differently, and in disharmony.
5. French king returns – hear a word of praise for him!

[Urwen]

Is the theme nicknames?

[Pervinca Took]

No. More specific than that.

[Urwen]

Oh, I see.

5. Iorhael (Roi backwards + Hael, which sounds like hail)

[Pervinca Took]

1. ‘Goodness me, my lettuce-draining implement!’ we seem to hear him cry, (roughly speaking).
2. He’s not nearly as stern as he sounds.
MR UNDERHILL: He failed to meet her, we hear, beneath Henry Irving’s lissom larches. (Initially).
4. For him: an actress from ‘Alfie’ – pale warmth circulates - and a fireplace sings differently, and in disharmony.
IORHAEL: French king returns – hear a word of praise for him!

[Urwen]

4. Daur, from 'dour'.

[Urwen]

And the password: Maura.

[Urwen]

1. Master, though I don't see how ster=lettuce-draining equipment

[Pervinca Took]

???M???: ‘Goodness me, my lettuce-draining implement!’ we seem to hear him cry, (roughly speaking).
DAUR: He’s not nearly as stern as he sounds.
MR UNDERHILL: He failed to meet her, we hear, beneath Henry Irving’s lissom larches. (Initially).
???R???: For him: an actress from ‘Alfie’ – pale warmth circulates - and a fireplace sings differently, and in disharmony.
IORHAEL: French king returns – hear a word of praise for him!

PASSWORD: MAURA
THEME: FRODO

Not master. What do you drain lettuce or boiled veg in?

Also, you need an expression of surprise for the 'Goodness me!' to begin it with ... although 'Ma' is actually right for the 'my' bit.

[Urwen]

Colander?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes. Now put them together.

[Urwen]

Macolander?

[Pervinca Took]

Something needed on the front.

What is Frodo known for?

[Urwen]

Quest of the Ring?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, but what as?

[Urwen]

Ringbearer?

[Urwen]

But that has nothing to do with 'ma' or with 'colander'.

[Pervinca Took]

Translate it!

???M???: ‘Goodness me, my lettuce-draining implement!’ we seem to hear him cry, (roughly speaking).
DAUR: He’s not nearly as stern as he sounds.
MR UNDERHILL: He failed to meet her, we hear, beneath Henry Irving’s lissom larches. (Initially).
???R???: For him: an actress from ‘Alfie’ – pale warmth circulates - and a fireplace sings differently, and in disharmony.
IORHAEL: French king returns – hear a word of praise for him!

PASSWORD: MAURA
THEME: FRODO

Not master. What do you drain lettuce or boiled veg in?

Also, you need an expression of surprise for the 'Goodness me!' to begin it with ... although 'Ma' is actually right for the 'my' bit.

[Urwen]

Cormacolindor?


I do see two final bits, but not 'goodness me' bit.

[Pervinca Took]

CORMACOLINDO: ‘Goodness me, my lettuce-draining implement!’ we seem to hear him cry, (roughly speaking).
DAUR: He’s not nearly as stern as he sounds.
MR UNDERHILL: He failed to meet her, we hear, beneath Henry Irving’s lissom larches. (Initially).
???R???: For him: an actress from ‘Alfie’ – pale warmth circulates - and a fireplace sings differently, and in disharmony.
IORHAEL: French king returns – hear a word of praise for him!

PASSWORD: MAURA
THEME: FRODO

COR! (An expression of surprise. Is it just a British expression, I wonder?)

Just knock the end off to get the singular. 'Cormacolindor' on the Field of Cormallen referred to both Frodo and Sam as The Ringbearers.

[Urwen]

Is the last one Bronwe Athan Harthad (Tara+Wan+Heat; the only thing missing is the fireplace.....)

[Urwen]

You up for making a new riddle, btw?

[Pervinca Took]

CORMACOLINDO: ‘Goodness me, my lettuce-draining implement!’ we seem to hear him cry, (roughly speaking).
DAUR: He’s not nearly as stern as he sounds.
MR UNDERHILL: He failed to meet her, we hear, beneath Henry Irving’s lissom larches. (Initially).
BRONWE ATHAN HARTHAD: For him: an actress from ‘Alfie’ – pale warmth circulates - and a fireplace sings differently, and in disharmony.
IORHAEL: French king returns – hear a word of praise for him!

PASSWORD: MAURA
THEME: FRODO

The elements, though, are (Eleanor) BRON + WAN + HEAT + A + HEARTH - E + D (sings a different note/tune - change note letter for a different note).

(I meant the original 'Alfie,' with Michael Caine). ;)

The original password was FRODO, but I'd have had to get the F from ELF-FRIEND, which is good and true, but perhaps not quite as specific as CORMACOLINDOR/RINGBEARER.

Over to you! Well done.

I can't make another riddle just now, I'm afraid.

[Urwen]

My well of themed passwords is quickly drying up. It'll be a while until I make the next one.

[Urwen]

1. Her physical condition is haywire.
2. Temporary provision of money reveals her (chaotically).
3. A nasal in the middle of fractured bird claw, for him.
4. Note, he is unyielding, in turmoil.

[Pervinca Took]

1. HALETH, from HEALTH?

[Urwen]

HALETH: Her physical condition is haywire.
2. Temporary provision of money reveals her (chaotically).
3. A nasal in the middle of fractured bird claw, for him.
4. Note, he is unyielding, in turmoil.

[Urwen]

Pervinca, where u at?

[Huinesoron]

All I see is a bunch of anagrams I can't get anything out of.

#2 seems likely to include 'loan', and #3 is probably talon + n, but I'd have to resort to brute-force attacking them with a searchable database to get anything else out of them. I don't really want to do that; it feels like cheating.

(Which is why I personally usually try to give a moderately specific straight clue. Different clue styles, &c &c. This is fine and probably cleverer clues than mine. :))

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I am at the same stage as Huinesoron - stuck at loan and talon.

Only possibility I see for the password is HUAN, but maybe it's an elvish word and not Huan at all.

[Urwen]

What if it's TALON+M?

[Pervinca Took]

I tried that but didn't come up with anything.


...

TOLMAN?

[Urwen]

HALETH: Her physical condition is haywire.
2. Temporary provision of money reveals her (chaotically).
TOLMAN: A nasal in the middle of fractured bird claw, for him.
4. Note, he is unyielding, in turmoil.

[Pervinca Took]

Is the theme heads of families/dynasties?

[Urwen]

No. Something easier.