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[Urwen]

Okay, for 8: Loved eel?

[Pervinca Took]

You're most welcome. :)

1. - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
8. - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
10. - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
12. - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

hS

I was wondering if love meant O, like in tennis (where it is 'nought.')

[Huinesoron]

Okay, for 8: Loved eel?

Eel is correct. Venerated is being used in the technical sense here. And there is more to the cryptic clue. :)

I was wondering if love meant O, like in tennis (where it is 'nought.')

In #5? It's not, and you might want to split that clue up a little differently.

(It's also not if you're looking at a different clue.)

hS

[Urwen]

It could be Elestirne. It contains both 'eel' and 'tin'.

[Urwen]

10. Lord of da Rings? Rings are worn. And Frodo wore it on a chain, I believe. :D

Or, maybe 'Ringbearer'. A 'title' worn. Or born.

[Pervinca Took]

12. Guessing CELEBRIAN, simply because it has BE backwards and CELEB means silver.

Not that C before M bodes terribly well.

[Huinesoron]

It could be Elestirne. It contains both 'eel' and 'tin'.

This is where I find a picture of Edna from The Incredibles, but caption it "No anagrams!".

(No.)

10. Lord of da Rings? Rings are worn. And Frodo wore it on a chain, I believe. :D

Or, maybe 'Ringbearer'. A 'title' worn. Or born.

Rings are worn, indeed, and yep, it's Mr. There Is Only One himself.

1. - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
8. - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
12. - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

[Huinesoron]

12. Guessing CELEBRIAN, simply because it has BE backwards and CELEB means silver.

Not that C before M bodes terribly well.

You've actually interpreted both of those parts of the clue correctly, but the answer isn't right (and doesn't strictly contain CELEB, because Sindarin).

hS

[Urwen]

None of the synonyms for 'venerated' fit without anagramming them....

[Huinesoron]

None of the synonyms for 'venerated' fit without anagramming them....

Who is venerated?

hS

[Urwen]

Piggybacking off of Pervinca's guess: Telperien? :D

[Urwen]

Who is venerated?

hS


A saint?

[Pervinca Took]

8. Steel? Or Steelsheen?

St + eel.

...

Oh!

St + eel + she + en?

[Urwen]

12. Argeleb (Yarr+Cele+Be backwards)

[Huinesoron]

8. Steel? Or Steelsheen?

St + eel.

...

Oh!

St + eel + she + en?

There she is, the venerated Saint Eel (she EN).

12. Argeleb (Yarr+Cele+Be backwards)

... is the right answer, though I was aiming at Ar-gel-. 'Silver' is the straight clue (in this case it's the lenited form of celeb, geleb).

1. [b] - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

hS

[Urwen]

7. Run+St+???

[Urwen]

1. Odovacar (Odo+Vac (from Vacant cut short) + a (one)); he is rich.

[Pervinca Took]

Our names gleam? ;)

(Wild guess at the password). ;)

(On the slim offchance that I'm right, Urwen can have next go for getting most of the clues).

[Huinesoron]

7. Run+St+???

St. is right, but that's the wrong sort of race.

1. Odovacar (Odo+Vac (from Vacant cut short) + a (one)); he is rich.

Correct, but you didn't need 'one': just chop one and a half letters from Vacant to get Vacar.

(His name means 'Watchful Wealth', for the record.)

Our names gleam? ;)

(Wild guess at the password). ;)

(On the slim offchance that I'm right, Urwen can have next go for getting most of the clues).

And you are correct. I'm just glad it lasted more than half the letters; didn't my last one fall in two? :)

Five to go!

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
2. U - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. R - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. A - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. E - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

2. URUNDIL, meaning 'copper lover,' early sobriquet for Nerdanel's dad.

U + RUN + DIL(L).

[Huinesoron]

2. URUNDIL, meaning 'copper lover,' early sobriquet for Nerdanel's dad.

U + RUN + DIL(L).

Precisely that, and a lifesaver when it came to spelling words; as Odovacar indicates, I was kind of hurting for vowels!

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. R - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. A - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
7. E - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I wonder if the race referred to in 7 could be the ELDAR, and the answer a name beginning with Eldar, such as Eldarion.

[Urwen]

Or Elfstan (Elf+St+An); 'an' being indefinite article.

[Huinesoron]

Or Elfstan (Elf+St+An); 'an' being indefinite article.

Spot on! I guess it's slightly cheeky to use a translation of another name in the password, but at least young Fairbairn is a separate character.

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. R - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
5. A - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

Just three to go!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Ah, I thought of Elfstan but thought I'd already guessed Elfstone and not been told I was close.

And I had. But for a different clue. ;)

And I hadn't worked out what 'indefinitely' meant. Very clever!

3. RANA certainly gleams, but I'm not sure its name does. And is it technically 'beyond the circle(s)' of the world?

I was looking for something beginning with RAM for the beast, but no luck there.

[Huinesoron]

Ah, I thought of Elfstan but thought I'd already guessed Elfstone and not been told I was close.

And I had. But for a different clue. ;)

I admit I had myself a little giggle over that one. ^_^

3. RANA certainly gleams, but I'm not sure its name does. And is it technically 'beyond the circle(s)' of the world?

I was looking for something beginning with RAM for the beast, but no luck there.

Not really on the right track at all. I will tell you that 'beyond' is a modifier on 'a beast', rather than on 'the circle'.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Rochallor was a beast beyond most others, and his name *may* end in an element meaning 'gold.'

[Huinesoron]

Rochallor was a beast beyond most others, and his name *may* end in an element meaning 'gold.'

That is a lovely answer, but no. The Beast is in English, and 'beyond' is a cryptic modifier.

... also there's no gold in this clue. ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Your 'one and a half letters' was fiendishly clever.

Unfortunately I am not, and am still stuck for the moment. :D

However, I am going to try this clue:

5. A - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!

and guess ALATIRIEL, because:

a) It is certainly a 'gleaming' name - 'maiden crowned with a garland of radiance.'
b) It has TIE for 'lace.'
c) Errrrrr……
d) Ala is Quenya for plaice (the word for chips appears in the same song - it's Celeborn's favourite dish).

[Urwen]

And there is R for Ring and L for Love. And she craved the One Ring at one point.

[Huinesoron]

5. A - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!

and guess ALATIRIEL, because:

a) It is certainly a 'gleaming' name - 'maiden crowned with a garland of radiance.'
b) It has TIE for 'lace.'
c) Errrrrr……
d) Ala is Quenya for plaice (the word for chips appears in the same song - it's Celeborn's favourite dish).

-_- You're a day late, but you managed to get me checking the Quenya wordlists for this one. Very clever.

Anyway, nope! 'Love lace' and 'flatfish' are both English references, and definitely not Tolkien ones. The straight clue actually has a certain Galadriel connection, though...

hS

[Urwen]

'The Beast' could be a reference to 'Beauty and the Beast'

And 'beyond' is 'trans'.

[Urwen]

-_- You're a day late, but you managed to get me checking the Quenya wordlists for this one. Very clever.

Anyway, nope! 'Love lace' and 'flatfish' are both English references, and definitely not Tolkien ones. The straight clue actually has a certain Galadriel connection, though...

hS


Linda + Sole, maybe?

[Pervinca Took]

I'm thinking it's 'beyond' beast because it's a 'superbeast' - a magical or mythical one. Like a minotaur or centaur or something.

Why am I a day late, Huey?

[Urwen]

So....like a Dragon....?


*goes off to study Dragons*

[Pervinca Took]

5 is nowt to do with Robert Lovelace of Clarissa, I suppose?

[Huinesoron]

Why am I a day late, Huey?

Because the day to trick people into thinking there was a Quenya word for 'plaice' was yesterday. -_-

'The Beast' could be a reference to 'Beauty and the Beast'

And 'beyond' is 'trans'.

I'm thinking it's 'beyond' beast because it's a 'superbeast' - a magical or mythical one. Like a minotaur or centaur or something.

So....like a Dragon....?

*goes off to study Dragons*

Nope; 'beyond' is just indicating where the words should be relative to each other. :)

Linda + Sole, maybe?

5 is nowt to do with Robert Lovelace of Clarissa, I suppose?

Not sole - and not that Lovelace, but most definitely a Lovelace.

hS

[Urwen]

Oh. Adamant (Ada + Mant(a ray)).

[Pervinca Took]

Or maybe Adamanta (Chubb), if all the answers are people? (No reason they should be, other than that they all have been so far).

(Thought of Adamant, but could not find the cryptic elements).

(Oh - of course, it's Galadriel's ring).

[Huinesoron]

Or maybe Adamanta (Chubb), if all the answers are people? (No reason they should be, other than that they all have been so far).

(Thought of Adamant, but could not find the cryptic elements).

(Oh - of course, it's Galadriel's ring).

Ada manta it is (and as it happens, they are all people; the theme requires it). I didn't wind up using any of the other jewel-named Hobbits, but I was very glad to have them available.

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. R - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
ADAMANTA - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

Two to go! Neither are personal names; one is in English, the other... isn't. :D

hS

[Urwen]

I am at a loss, again.

[Huinesoron]

Rolling to new page:

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
3. R - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
ADAMANTA - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

I am at a loss, again.

Okay, let's see...

-Both clues have the straight clue at the end.

-R consists of three elements, with one out of order from where it's clued.

-N consists of two elements, plus one instruction relating to one element, and one relating to the word as a whole.

-There are no Middle-earth words in the clues (well... maybe one), though one answer is in a Middle-earth language.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

All need to be people so they can say their names gleam? ;)

I'd have the glittery moon talking, or the Remmirath boasting of her sparkly nets, but then I'm weird/an English Lit graduate/both/probably the same thing to a scientist. :D

[Huinesoron]

All need to be people so they can say their names gleam? ;)

I'd have the glittery moon talking, or the Remmirath boasting of her sparkly nets, but then I'm weird/an English Lit graduate/both/probably the same thing to a scientist. :D

All need to be people so they can be 'people named after precious stones, metals, and jewellery'. The password is not the theme, the cover is not the book, &c &c.

(Had I not gone with 'people', you'd be looking at clues for Tilkal, Ormal, and the Silmarils, so rejoice that I limited myself.)

hS

[Urwen]

4. Narwe (Ear+W), the whole meaning 'signet'.

[Urwen]

3. Ringwraiths (Wraiths beyond the Ring; 'Ash Nazg Durbatuluk') ;)

[Huinesoron]

4. Narwe (Ear+W), the whole meaning 'signet'.

No... is that a person? It could be one of the Cuivienen lot, but I don't think it is.

Also: no anagrams. :)

3. Ringwraiths (Wraiths beyond the Ring; 'Ash Nazg Durbatuluk') ;)

Nope. You've interpreted 'beyond' correctly, though I'm not sure you meant to; and your interpretation of one of the elements is correct.

hS

[Urwen]

3. Ring-bearer (Ring+Bear+Er)

[Huinesoron]

3. Ring-bearer (Ring+Bear+Er)

ROAR! ... er.

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
RINGBEARER - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
4. N - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
ADAMANTA - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

One to go! And if I told you what language it was in you'd get it immediately.

hS

[Urwen]

So 4. L+RAE+I?

[Huinesoron]

So 4. L+RAE+I?

You are correct that it needs to be reversed. Other than that, no. (What war are you thinking of, anyway?)

'Lend' is just a filler word; ignore it.

hS

[Urwen]

Well, there is War of Wrath....

[Huinesoron]

Well, there is War of Wrath....

Wasn't that one the longest in the First Age?

In any case, this is a Primary World war (not World War).

hS

[Urwen]

Well, the shortest war in history is Anglo-Zanzibar war....

[Urwen]

Briefly means 'acronym', so AZ, and reversed it's Za....and Zamin is the only person which begins with ZA.

[Huinesoron]

Well, the shortest war in history is Anglo-Zanzibar war....

Briefly means 'acronym', so AZ, and reversed it's Za....and Zamin is the only person which begins with ZA.

I only used one party to the war, and briefly in this case means 'shortened'. But that's the right war!

(Also the answer starts with N. :))

hS

[Urwen]

Na+I+Rae?

[Huinesoron]

Na+I+Rae?

I'd like to think I could find a more reliable way to clue 'NA'.

You need a synonym for ear (I think it's an English dialect word); you're looking for two 3-letter pieces to put together and reverse.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I'd like to think I could find a more reliable way to clue 'NA'.

You need a synonym for ear (I think it's an English dialect word); you're looking for two 3-letter pieces to put together and reverse.

hS

You could turn Z 90 degrees.

Lug is slang for ear, but has no N in it.

[Urwen]

In which case it's Nazgul (Zan+Lug backwards).

[Pervinca Took]

'Nazgul' doesn't gleam, though.

Perhaps it's an opulent Numenorean king, with a name in Adunaic?

[Huinesoron]

In which case it's Nazgul (Zan+Lug backwards).

'Nazgul' doesn't gleam, though.

Perhaps it's an opulent Numenorean king, with a name in Adunaic?

You're telling me that their rings ('nazg') aren't shiny? It's just as gleamy as 'Ringbearer'. ;)

ODOVACAR - A Proudfoot, vacant but cut short by one and a bit, is wealthy.
URUNDIL - I hear you run before a herb, copper.
RINGBEARER - A beast beyond the circle? I'm uncertain it's inscribed.
NAZGUL - Lend one ear to the shortest war, briefly and back, with a signet.
ADAMANTA - Love lace and flatfish? Like a ring!
MIRIEL - A peaceful station in a flipped garland is a jewel.
ELFSTAN - Race a saint indefinitely for a green jewel.
STEELSHEEN - A venerated elver - her, English? Heavy metal.
GLINDUR - Gee, Eastwood's topped and tailed (duh, you hear me?), but he's dark and tough.
LORD OF THE RINGS - A title worn.
ELESSAR - He' not greater, but gifted.
ARGELEB - Listen: a pirate girl be backwards around silver.
MAGLOR - Between Béma and Glorfindel is gold.

Theme: Characters named after (shiny) gems, metals, and jewellery.

Over to Urwen, I believe; a hard-fought and hard-won password all round. :)

hS

[Urwen]

I have just one question: whose Argeleb?

[Pervinca Took]

Sounds like one of the chieftains of the Dunedain?

… oh, a King of Arthedain, while they still had kings, and he ended up being king of the whole of Arnor, as the two other lines failed.

[Urwen]

1. Renounce him in disarray.
2. She is endlessly angry, and backward.
3. A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
4. A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
5. Scattered sodium reveals him.
6. Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
7. A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
8. A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
9. A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
10. Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

[Huinesoron]

Yeah, Argeleb was one of a long line of Ar-s in Arthedain, but I couldn't have told you which. :)

Now, for your password... I like the look of these clues. One that jumps out at me is #9, which sounds like a name of the form ELE????NE. A logical guess would be ELESTIRNE, who I know you've been thinking around; I can't make 'stir' the beginning or acronym of anything, but I'm happy to assume it could be.

#7... Shakespeare had many kings, but the one that leaps to mind (and I think the only one who's 'King' in the title of his play) is LEAR. I'm seeing the clue as indicating an anagram of his name around a direction... ELMAR the Numenorean is a possible, though M-as-direction is a stretch (Middle?).

hS

[Urwen]

'Briefly' applied to north-east, actually, to produce NE.

1. Renounce him in disarray.
2. She is endlessly angry, and backward.
3. A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
4. A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
5. Scattered sodium reveals him.
6. Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
7. A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
8. A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
10. Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

No to rest. You have the right king, though.

[Pervinca Took]

The ornamental plate could be a ROUNDEL, but no luck yet mixing it with greetings.

[Urwen]

No. You're focusing on known synonyms/definitions too much, when you should also be mindful of less common synonyms/definitions waiting to trip you up.

[Urwen]

Also try solving the easier ones first.

[Pervinca Took]

Also try solving the easier ones first.

I was about to say that there aren't any easier ones.

However, DEN within NILE could give ELENDIL, for the 'cave' one.

[Huinesoron]

I was about to say that there aren't any easier ones.

There's certainly some that look like they should be easier. #2, for example, and of course Urwen has already confirmed part of #7.

But 'looks easier' doesn't mean a lot when I haven't been able to come up with any answers for them. ^_^

hS

[Urwen]

Well, here is a hint: think on why I used Elestirne rather than Erendis. ;)

[Pervinca Took]

I did think of that, but neither epesses, nicknames nor sobriquets fit as password.

Is ELENDIL wrong? My guess for the cave one?

[Urwen]

Yes, it's wrong.

[Huinesoron]

Well, here is a hint: think on why I used Elestirne rather than Erendis. ;)

I did think of that, but neither epesses, nicknames nor sobriquets fit as password.

The password could still end in NAMES, though. The Lear clue would start with A, which is possible. There's a number of names of the form AR_____EL, though the only one jumping out as female is AREDHEL (and AR-FEINIEL)... but again, 'edh' and 'feini' don't really look like directions. (Oh, and 'Ar-Zimraphel', I suppose... quick, gang, let's head north by north-zimraph!)

hS

[Urwen]

Try using this wiki. (https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Arda_Role_Playing_Wiki)

Every other name comes from that wiki.

[Pervinca Took]

MOTHERNAMES, perhaps?

I don't think Nuneth gave Erendis the name Elestirne, though.

[Urwen]

Drop the head and you'll have it.

[Pervinca Took]

I'll try ALDOR for 8, but I can't account for the O.

LAD + ? + R.

[Pervinca Took]

Other names?

Have felt pretty sure for a while that 6 is NOUN backwards with a direction in the middle.

[Huinesoron]

Have felt pretty sure for a while that 6 is NOUN backwards with a direction in the middle.

Searching for words starting NU on Urwen's Notion Club Wiki has been an exciting education in what licensed and fan-works have come up with. Look at this stuff! (https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=nu) About the only genuine Tolkien term I recognise on the first page is Nurn. I'm sure Urwen has only used names she's verified are Tolkien in origin, but it's a bit of a needle in a haystack to find them.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

So we can see the clues.

'Briefly' applied to north-east, actually, to produce NE.

1. Renounce him in disarray.
2. She is endlessly angry, and backward.
3. A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
4. A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
5. Scattered sodium reveals him.
6. Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
7. A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
8. A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
10. Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

No to rest. You have the right king, though.

[Huinesoron]

If Pervinca has the password right, then #2 starts with T, and could be TARI. That's Quenya for 'queen'; I can't find that it's used as an alternate name for anyone, but it is 'irate', endless and backwards.

hS

[Urwen]

O: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
E: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
R: Scattered sodium reveals him.
N: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
A: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
M: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
S: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.


It's an alternate name for Varda, according to that Wiki.

[Pervinca Took]

SHOGLIC.

SH + LOGIC.

Another name (somewhere in Fandom) for Sauron.

[Pervinca Took]

I found a few women with LEAR encasing other letters, but none seem to satisy 'direction' or 'other name':

Ariel
Anorel
Arafel
Arminiel.

You know, AR-FEINIEL, Huey's guess on the last page, satisfies 'other name,' and if we take 'direction' to mean 'order,' you could order someone to fine someone.

However, unless my spelling is wrong, it would leave an extra I.

[Huinesoron]

'Shoglic'. What the what. My only guess is it's supposed to sound Orcish, but it doesn't even do that.

For R, I remain convinced it's an anagram of Natrium (sodium), but I don't have a specific anagram to offer.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

'Shoglic'. What the what. My only guess is it's supposed to sound Orcish, but it doesn't even do that.

For R, I remain convinced it's an anagram of Natrium (sodium), but I don't have a specific anagram to offer.

hS

Well, I guess you could work from the beginning and I could work from the end:

https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=R&fulltext=Search&page=2&ns0=1&ns14=1&searchUID=e5925894-38d7-47a1-a5d1-afb24c8b5d8b&useskin=oasis

I didn't know what Na stood for, though, so I have at least learned something today.

[Pervinca Took]

Forswear
Forsake
Abandon
Disown
Cast off

Synonyms of 'renounce' that contain O.

[Huinesoron]

Well, I guess you could work from the beginning and I could work from the end:

https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=R&fulltext=Search&page=2&ns0=1&ns14=1&searchUID=e5925894-38d7-47a1-a5d1-afb24c8b5d8b&useskin=oasis

I didn't know what Na stood for, though, so I have at least learned something today.

I've looked through the lists for RA, RU, and RI without turning up anything that contains both T and M.

If 'scattered' isn't an anagram indicator, we could be looking for a synonym + NA. No luck on Rivenna, Rentna, Rarena, Rendna...

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I did think of 'remote' as a synonym for 'scattered.'

Remotena? :D

EDIT: Finally found the noun one: NURON! R for the way.

From that Notion Club Fanweb Whatsit Thing:

'Characters in The Lost Road and Other Writings
Maidhros, Makalaure, Mando, Mandosse, Martan, Martano, Morimando, Morthu, Nambarauto, Nefantur, Neldion, Neorth, Nessaron, Neth, Nuin, Nuinoer, Nuinor, Núron, Oeros, Ohtor, Olfannor, Oraume, Orodlin, Orômê, Orontor, Oroume, Oswin Errol, Poldor, Radros, Ragnor, Sangahyando, Sauro, Sindingul, Singoldo'

Anything else there that might help us? I need to see the clues without scrolling, so:

O: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
E: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
R: Scattered sodium reveals him.
N: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
A: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
M: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
S: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

[Urwen]

O: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
E: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
R: Scattered sodium reveals him.
N: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
A: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
M: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
SHOGLIC: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

[Pervinca Took]

How about NURON?

[Urwen]

O: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
E: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
R: Scattered sodium reveals him.
NURON: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
A: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
M: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
SHOGLIC: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

Now you're getting the hang of it.

[Pervinca Took]

How about HARANI for H? It's a caramaran/ship, but ships are feminine. :D

And it IS bookended by HI.

[Huinesoron]

Okay, this is... not impossible, exactly, but very much a brute-force, shooting-in-the-dark exercise. Take the Lear clue - there are 500 results starting with AR, 200 with AL, and if the direction provides the second letter the scope expands to the entire set of 2000 'A' entries. And the only way to approach the question is to read through each list and hope you spot a woman's name.

I'm not going to complain about the use of non-canon names - hey, I've used a MERP Ringwraith at least once, and I think I had an entire password of uncanonical women - but if people want to use them again, please can I appeal for more of a straight clue than 'him' or 'her'? Because this has been ten days of blind frustration, and we're not even halfway through yet.

~

I have searched the AR, AL, and AE lists, and see nothing beyond what's already been suggested, other than ARPEL (https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Arpel), on the grounds that the map suggests it might be an old name for Pelargir.

hS

[Urwen]

Okay, this is... not impossible, exactly, but very much a brute-force, shooting-in-the-dark exercise. Take the Lear clue - there are 500 results starting with AR, 200 with AL, and if the direction provides the second letter the scope expands to the entire set of 2000 'A' entries. And the only way to approach the question is to read through each list and hope you spot a woman's name.

I'm not going to complain about the use of non-canon names - hey, I've used a MERP Ringwraith at least once, and I think I had an entire password of uncanonical women - but if people want to use them again, please can I appeal for more of a straight clue than 'him' or 'her'? Because this has been ten days of blind frustration, and we're not even halfway through yet.

~

I have searched the AR, AL, and AE lists, and see nothing beyond what's already been suggested, other than ARPEL (https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Arpel), on the grounds that the map suggests it might be an old name for Pelargir.

hS


Hmmm....more straight clue than 'him' or 'her'? Okay. For this one, it's the momma of teh naughty elf.

[Pervinca Took]

Well, Ar-Feiniel has already been guessed twice. Does she have another 'other name?'

[Huinesoron]

Hmmm....more straight clue than 'him' or 'her'? Okay.

Thank you. Sincerely, thank you.

For this one, it's the momma of teh naughty elf.

Well, Ar-Feiniel has already been guessed twice. Does she have another 'other name?'

'AEREL', apparently. Which doesn't even have a redirect to it on the Notion Club; literally the only way to find it is to look at Aredhel's page. Check out what you get if you search it directly. (https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=aerel)

EDIT: Which, surprisingly enough, is a genuine Tolkien word - it's a variant of aredhel, 'noble elf, Noldo or Sinda', found in Parma Eldalamberon 17. Doesn't look like the source used it as a personal name.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I only found NURON by inventing it myself and putting it in that same search bar.

Maybe that's the key - construct the names yourself, then see it they exist?

It didn't even tell me *who* Nuron was another name for.

[Urwen]

Sorry, it's pretty random. Except that Erendis, Maeglin and Saeros do have genuine Tolkien names here, I promise you that.

O: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
E: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
R: Scattered sodium reveals him.
NURON: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
AEREL: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
M: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
SHOGLIC: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

[Urwen]

'AEREL', apparently. Which doesn't even have a redirect to it on the Notion Club; literally the only way to find it is to look at Aredhel's page. Check out what you get if you search it directly. (https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=aerel)

EDIT: Which, surprisingly enough, is a genuine Tolkien word - it's a variant of aredhel, 'noble elf, Noldo or Sinda', found in Parma Eldalamberon 17. Doesn't look like the source used it as a personal name.

hS


I did, and her name was the first result according to the link you gave

[Huinesoron]

I did, and her name was the first result according to the link you gave

Yes - but you only get that if you divine that 'Aerel' is the answer. If you're looking through the page names, you will never see 'Aerel', because it's only found by reading the 'Aredhel' page. That was my point.

Thank you for the pointer to Saeros; if you forgo him, you get ORGOF for #1.

hS

[Urwen]

ORGOF: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
E: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
R: Scattered sodium reveals him.
NURON: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
AEREL: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
M: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
SHOGLIC: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

[Pervinca Took]

There's Morlin as well as Morleg as another name for Maeglin.

Oh! It's MORLIN.

MINOR + L.

Good one!

[Urwen]

ORGOF: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
E: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
R: Scattered sodium reveals him.
NURON: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
AEREL: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
MORLIN: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
SHOGLIC: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

[Pervinca Took]

Could Huey's guess of RIVENNA possibly be right, with RIVEN as a rather stretched synonym for 'scattered?'

[Pervinca Took]

OK, but I am not hunting through thousands of random fandom words without any hints. I have enough potential stress at the moment!

[Urwen]

H: A Valie
E: The 'cave-hewing' Elf *
R: He represents a month *


* = genuine Tolkien names

[Huinesoron]

R: RANUIN, or ruin with Na, reversed, inside it, is the ?Ainu? incarnation of months. I'm not sure how well he fits the puzzle, though - there's no indication that sodium is 'eaten' or reversed, and I don't think he has an Other Name.

More certainly, for E: EDENNIL, or den + nile, a name for Finrod, used presumably by Andreth (it's from the Athrabeth). 'Friend of Men' in Sindarin, apparently, I guess from EDAIN+NDIL with some mutations or something.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

If so, I had the correct elements with Elendil, just the wrong end result.

For H, there is HESKIL listed as an alternative name on Yavanna's page. It has HI, but I think the clue says the greeting encases the other element(s).

Or there is HIRADWA for Este, with HI at the beginning.

[Huinesoron]

H: A Valie
E: The 'cave-hewing' Elf *
R: He represents a month *


* = genuine Tolkien names

As an aside, these would have been great straight clues in the original password. Maybe "a Valie" is too straightforward, but 'a cave-hewing elf' narrows it down without actually specifying (Thingol or Maeglin, or at a pinch Legolas, could also qualify', and 'he represents a month' sounds really cryptic until you realise it's literal (if it is). Without the letters already in place, it would have been a challenge to figure out which name of Finrod was relevant - but that's challenge in a good, fun sense. :)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

If so, I had the correct elements with Elendil, just the wrong end result.

For H, there is HESKIL listed as an alternative name on Yavanna's page. It has HI, but I think the clue says the greeting encases the other element(s).

Or there is HIRADWA for Este, with HI at the beginning.

Or HELINYETILLE for Nessa, which again has HI, but not in a 'bookending' capacity.

The other 4 Valie don't seem to have any other names beginning with H.

Hmmm ...

HIRADWA has HI + AWARD. I suppose an award can take the form of an ornamental plate. Wimbledon awards a silver plate instead of a cup, I think. And you used to get a Wedgewood plate in the UK for your hundredth blood donation, (you might still, but I never got that far!)

Oh! And 'around' could just mean mix up 'award.' It could be an anagram indicator for the second element, rather than an 'encase everything else' indicator.

...

I wonder *which* month Ranuin was supposed to represent!

[Urwen]

ORGOF: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
H: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
EDDENIL: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
RANUIN: Scattered sodium reveals him.
NURON: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
AEREL: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
MORLIN: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
SHOGLIC: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

[Pervinca Took]

Is HIRADWA wrong, then?

[Urwen]

Yes.

[Pervinca Took]

I looked up all seven Valie on the Notion Club website and only found the three names I have already posted:

Heskil
Hiradwa
Helinyetille.

[Urwen]

None of those.

I am tempted to just put in the right name and end this.

[Huinesoron]

I looked up all seven Valie on the Notion Club website and only found the three names I have already posted:

Heskil
Hiradwa
Helinyetille.

All how many Valier?

If Ranuin is up for consideration, then Measse the Amazon must be as well. And by Tolkien's original counting, the children of the Valar are Valar themselves, which brings the like of Nieliqui (daughter of Orome and Vana) into play. Now, neither of those have an H-name on the Notion Club, but there may be others.

Urwen - is 'ornamental plate' a single thing we need a synonym for?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I thought the Valar were the 7 queens and 7 lords, plus Melkor.

[Huinesoron]

I thought the Valar were the 7 queens and 7 lords, plus Melkor.

Book of Lost Tales stuff. In BoLT, Makar and Measse the bloodthirsty warriors are added to that number, and several of them have kids (in fact, I think Orome is a child of some of the others). It's all very Germanic Mythology - Melko has a child with an ogress - and went away very quickly, but it's the same source as Ranuin, Danuin, and Fanuin, the Valar of months, days, and years.

(They tie the Sun and Moon to giant cables for Manwe to pull. BoLT is weird.)

EDIT: Oh, and a guess that HUI, which floated around on one of the Notion Club lists, might be a variant of FUI (aka Nienna), with the U being part of the name of some very famous type of ornamental plate.

hS

[Urwen]

It's a name for Varda. Look at her page in Notion club and you'll find it.

[Pervinca Took]

https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Varda

There are none beginning with H, though.

[Urwen]

My mistake. Look at this instead: https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Yavanna

[Pervinca Took]

Hirazi?

[Urwen]

ORGOF: Renounce him in disarray.
TARI: She is endlessly angry, and backward.
HIRAZI: A greeting around a broken ornamental plate, for her.
EDDENIL: A cave within a meandering flower, for him.
RANUIN: Scattered sodium reveals him.
NURON: Reversed part of speech surrounds a way, for him
AEREL: A befuddled Shakespearean king surrounds direction, for her.
MORLIN: A muddled youngster finds a way, for him.
ELESTIRNE: A confused elver finds commotion, briefly, north-east. See her.
SHOGLIC: Silence. Muddled reasoning leads to him.

And it's finally done. Over to you.

[Pervinca Took]

What is the ornamental plate, though? I can't find that as a definition of 'razi.'

I'll post a new puzzle shortly.

[Urwen]

https://www.wordplays.com/definition/riza

[Huinesoron]

While we wait, Urwen, what was your thought behind Ranuin being an Other Name?

hS

[Urwen]

I had some vague memory of that being the case. When I realized otherwise, it was too late to switch.

[Pervinca Took]

Here you go:

1. Aragorn, Legolas and Eomer’s preferred mode of transport.
2. A Maia loses his way. Empty inkwell initially, and in confusion, here.
3. Trotsky swallows a little woman – and a little rum – to produce this.
4. He’s stuck in the middle of Britain, without an editor.
5. Here are twisted conduits and, we hear, a greater portion of seabird.
6. Here is a citrus-flavoured quadruped? Sounds like it!
7. PLC equivalent here, with an article in the middle, reveals him.
8. Here’s complicated trigonometry! Such a bore - send it back!

[Galadriel55]

1. Not... van :Merisu:

3. LEBETHRON = Leon + Beth + R


Beth is getting quite popular for a shy little woman. Maybe next time I do a password I should figure out how to give her sisters a chance.

[Pervinca Took]

VAN: Aragorn, Legolas and Eomer’s preferred mode of transport.
2. A Maia loses his way. Empty inkwell initially, and in confusion, here.
LEBETHRON: Trotsky swallows a little woman – and a little rum – to produce this.
4. He’s stuck in the middle of Britain, without an editor.
5. Here are twisted conduits and, we hear, a greater portion of seabird.
6. Here is a citrus-flavoured quadruped? Sounds like it!
7. PLC equivalent here, with an article in the middle, reveals him.
8. Here’s complicated trigonometry! Such a bore - send it back!

Indeed!

"Aragorn and Legolas went now with Eomer in the van."

Tolkien's own words. :)

I haven't excluded Meg, Jo and Amy on purpose. I just haven't needed those letters yet. Three of the sisters are little women in the cryptic sense as well as the 'book' sense.

[Huinesoron]

#6: could this be LEMON MULE - sorry, I mean EMYN MUIL?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VAN: Aragorn, Legolas and Eomer’s preferred mode of transport.
2. A Maia loses his way. Empty inkwell initially, and in confusion, here.
LEBETHRON: Trotsky swallows a little woman – and a little rum – to produce this.
4. He’s stuck in the middle of Britain, without an editor.
5. Here are twisted conduits and, we hear, a greater portion of seabird.
EMYN MUIL: Here is a citrus-flavoured quadruped? Sounds like it!
7. PLC equivalent here, with an article in the middle, reveals him.
8. Here’s complicated trigonometry! Such a bore - send it back!

So it could!

[Huinesoron]

#4... UK + glued - Ed = UGLUK?

Are we looking at VOLUME II here?

If so, that suggests #2 might be built around Olorin or Osse for the Maia... not getting anywhere on the empty inkwell, though.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VAN: Aragorn, Legolas and Eomer’s preferred mode of transport.
O: A Maia loses his way. Empty inkwell initially, and in confusion, here.
LEBETHRON: Trotsky swallows a little woman – and a little rum – to produce this.
UGLUK: He’s stuck in the middle of Britain, without an editor.
M: Here are twisted conduits and, we hear, a greater portion of seabird.
EMYN MUIL: Here is a citrus-flavoured quadruped? Sounds like it!

I: PLC equivalent here, with an article in the middle, reveals him.
I: Here’s complicated trigonometry! Such a bore - send it back!

Try treating 'empty' and 'inkwell' as separate elements.

[Galadriel55]

Is the last one ISENGARD = sine + drag?

[Huinesoron]

And could the first I be INCANUS - INC (similar to plc after a company) + indefinite article AN + US, either the USA as the host for the Downs, or 'us' as in 'we're here'. (Or indeed 'us' = in the middle, as in 'stuck in the middle with you'; that one's a bit of a stretch.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VAN: Aragorn, Legolas and Eomer’s preferred mode of transport.
O: A Maia loses his way. Empty inkwell initially, and in confusion, here.
LEBETHRON: Trotsky swallows a little woman – and a little rum – to produce this.
UGLUK: He’s stuck in the middle of Britain, without an editor.
M: Here are twisted conduits and, we hear, a greater portion of seabird.
EMYN MUIL: Here is a citrus-flavoured quadruped? Sounds like it!

INCANUS: PLC equivalent here, with an article in the middle, reveals him.
ISENGARD: Here’s complicated trigonometry! Such a bore - send it back!

Correct reasoning for Isengard.

Incanus: all elements correct. The US refers to 'here' because it's 'here' (in the United States) that what's known as a PLC company in the UK is called 'incorporated' and has INC after its name.

Is the Downs hosted by the USA? Do you mean this style of bulletin board was created in the USA, or is Barrow-Wight, who I believe owns and runs this forum, American?

G55, is INC used in Canada too after the name of a company, or do Canada use a different word and abbreviation?

[Huinesoron]

Is the Downs hosted by the USA? Do you mean thus style of bulletin board was created in the USA, or is Barrow-Wight, who I believe owns and runs this forum, American?

I have absolutely no idea. :D I was trying to explain the 'US' element; the 'PLC = INC US' explanation didn't occur to me. ;)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

I think you'll solve the O clue without too much trouble if you work backwards.

[Galadriel55]

G55, is INC used in Canada too after the name of a company, or do Canada use a different word and abbreviation?

I'm actually not sure but it must be, because INC is familiar while PLC was not. We also have LTD - or is that different? I am not a business person at all. :o

[Pervinca Took]

Ltd is the opposite. We have Ltd too.

A PLC is owned (or partially owned) by shareholders. It stands for Public Limited Company.

A limited company (LTD) doesn't have shareholders and is privately owned.

I think that's correct. I know virtually nothing about business. But I did once work for a company that was bought and taken over by another, bigger company, because the shareholders voted for that.

[Galadriel55]

I think you'll solve the O clue without too much trouble if you work backwards.

Not if your overexcited brain jumps to conclusions faster than you can say A Elbereth Gilthoniel. :p

So far I almost made Eomer out of Orome - then realized you need a place and a Maia, Lorien out of Olorin - then realized it's mostly in the wrong volume, Rauros out of Sauron - which has no reasonable explanation, Osgiliath simply because Osse, and Artano turned into Ontario. It's been a backwards progression from the more logical to the more ridiculous. And none of them have what I believe the empty inkwell is meant to add. But I have time. :)

[Pervinca Took]

Well, one of those Ainur is the right one. ;)

[Galadriel55]

There aren't that many places that start with O in TTT. I can only come up with 2 that are actually predominantly TTT things.
There is a limited number of male Maiar with names that contain O.
So why is it so difficult to match them together?
And where is the Empty Inkwell??? It's not present in anything I come up with.

[Pervinca Took]

'Empty' and 'inkwell' are separate elements.

The O I am looking for is *mentioned* in TTT. And not, as far as I am aware, in the other two volumes.

And Galadriel, you've already mentioned the Maia I'm looking for.

[Huinesoron]

'Empty' and 'inkwell' are separate elements.

The O I am looking for is *mentioned* in TTT. And not, as far as I am aware, in the other two volumes.

And Galadriel, you've already mentioned the Maia I'm looking for.

Ohhh... is it OSS(E) + I (for 'inkwell') + DRAIN (empty out) = "I wandered in Summer in the elm-woods of OSSIRIAND"?

hS

[Pervinca Took]

VAN: Aragorn, Legolas and Eomer’s preferred mode of transport.
OSSIRIAND: A Maia loses his way. Empty inkwell initially, and in confusion, here.
LEBETHRON: Trotsky swallows a little woman – and a little rum – to produce this.
UGLUK: He’s stuck in the middle of Britain, without an editor.
M: Here are twisted conduits and, we hear, a greater portion of seabird.
EMYN MUIL: Here is a citrus-flavoured quadruped? Sounds like it!

INCANUS: PLC equivalent here, with an article in the middle, reveals him.
ISENGARD: Here’s complicated trigonometry! Such a bore - send it back!

It most certainly is! :)

One to go.

[Urwen]

Is the last one drains+ [second part of the clue]?

[Pervinca Took]

Yes, more or less. But the synonym isn't 'drains.'

[Kath]

This is entirely too cryptic for me! But, is the last part of the remaining clue Morgul - from more gull - and the M therefore Minas Morgul?

[Pervinca Took]

VAN: Aragorn, Legolas and Eomer’s preferred mode of transport.
OSSIRIAND: A Maia loses his way. Empty inkwell initially, and in confusion, here.
LEBETHRON: Trotsky swallows a little woman – and a little rum – to produce this.
UGLUK: He’s stuck in the middle of Britain, without an editor.
MINAS MORGUL: Here are twisted conduits and, we hear, a greater portion of seabird.
EMYN MUIL: Here is a citrus-flavoured quadruped? Sounds like it!

INCANUS: PLC equivalent here, with an article in the middle, reveals him.
ISENGARD: Here’s complicated trigonometry! Such a bore - send it back!

Indeed it is, Kath, with MAINS for conduits. :)

Over to Huinesoron!

[Huinesoron]

That one was fun (though I was stuck looking for words with 'maze' in them for that last one, nice one Kath!). This one, er... I dunno, hopefully will be?

1. - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I!
2. - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary.
3. - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom.
4. - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach?
5. - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.
6. - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place).
7. - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia.

Fair warning - one of these doesn't exactly have a cryptic clue, one isn't entirely precise, and one does something very odd to find its letter. And there's at least one awful pun.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

1. RUSSANDOL

Of the Urals = RUSSIAN.

Not I = remove the I.

DOL = small doll.

Russandol = Maedhros, eldest son of Feanor and Nerdanel.

...

Hope Kath will stick around and join in some more! She's the only passworder I've met in 'real' life, although I think I've been in the same room as Mith at a Tolkien event.

A wild, early guess at REVENGE for the password?

...

With a very slightly less wild guess at EAST for the second clue? (Oh, it doesn't fit with revenge ... but revenge is probably wrong anyway).

[Huinesoron]

1. RUSSANDOL

Of the Urals = RUSSIAN.

Not I = remove the I.

DOL = small doll.

Russandol = Maedhros, eldest son of Feanor and Nerdanel.

Spot on! (I've always enjoyed the fact that there are characters in Middle-earth literally named Redhead and Goldilocks. ^_^)

...

Hope Kath will stick around and join in some more! She's the only passworder I've met in 'real' life, although I think I've been in the same room as Mith at a Tolkien event.

Hopefully!

A wild, early guess at REVENGE for the password?

Nope.

With a very slightly less wild guess at EAST for the second clue? (Oh, it doesn't fit with revenge ... but revenge is probably wrong anyway).

Also nope. Think a little less (more?) literally.

RUSSANDOL - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I!
2. - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary.
3. - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom.
4. - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach?
5. - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.
6. - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place).
7. - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

And not RED HEAD or RED HAIR either, for the password? (Unlikely, as you drew attention to the first term, but worth a shot nonetheless).

[Pervinca Took]

Could 4 be NELDORETH?

(K)NEL(L) + DO(O)R + ETH(ANOL).

Why the beach, though?

[Urwen]

For 6, challenge accepted.

Dwalin + something else....?

[Huinesoron]

And not RED HEAD or RED HAIR either, for the password? (Unlikely, as you drew attention to the first term, but worth a shot nonetheless).

I mean, don't assume I wouldn't make a clumsy mistake, but in this case, no.

Could 4 be NELDORETH?

(K)NEL(L) + DO(O)R + ETH(ANOL).

Why the beach, though?

It could indeed!

"Is Luthien on the beach? No - she up the beech."

:D :D :D

(I warned you about the pun...!)

For 6, challenge accepted.

Dwalin + something else....?

Dwalin is not involved in the answer. You're in the right gaggle of dwarves, though.

RUSSANDOL - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I!
2. - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary.
3. - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom.
NELDORETH - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach?
5. - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.
6. - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place).
7. - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia.

hS

[Urwen]

But you said it doesn't matter which dwarf I picked. Now you say it does. >.>

[Kath]

Thanks for the lovely greetings. You're all very kind but I fear you're also far too clever for me!

I'll have a stab at 2 ... Undergate? Or Underway?

[Huinesoron]

But you said it doesn't matter which dwarf I picked. Now you say it does. >.>

Well, you have a choice of dwarves; that doesn't mean anyone from Durin the Deathless to Durin VII is appropriate.

Thanks for the lovely greetings. You're all very kind but I fear you're also far too clever for me!

There's 'clever', and then there's 'writing convoluted gibberish and giving hints until someone guesses it'. This password is... probably more of the latter. ;)

I'll have a stab at 2 ... Undergate? Or Underway?

Nope; like Pervinca, you need to be more/less literal.

A good starting point would be trying to find somewhere that links Far Harad with a large spider, and then thinking about what 'where it all began' could mean.

hS

[Urwen]

It all began in Valinor, of course. :)

[Huinesoron]

It all began in Valinor, of course. :)

It most certainly did not!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Think a little less (more?) literally.

As it is said in old lore, go not to Huinesoron for counsel, for he will say both less and more! ;)

[Urwen]

It most certainly did not!

hS


Well, where else could it have began? And don't say it began in Bag-End, because it didn't. There were countless things that happened before the third age....

[Pervinca Took]

OIN is an anagram of 'No I,' which not very satisfyingly satisfies the clue, (that's not *much* worse than saying 'less and more.') ;)

I think 'You're in second place' means the second letter is the 'red' one, so it could also mean that several dwarves (although 'any' would be hyperbolic) would fit the bill ... well, Oin, Bifur, Fili and Kili in this case, since Gimli isn't in the particular *sub-gaggle* of Erebor dwarves who went on the actual Quest of Erebor.

[Kath]

Well, I've ended up in Buckland ...

[Pervinca Took]

Harad existed in the First Age, so maybe the spider is Ungoliant? Ungoliant still has a connection with Shelob.

[Huinesoron]

As it is said in old lore, go not to Huinesoron for counsel, for he will say both less and more!

:D

Well, where else could it have began? And don't say it began in Bag-End, because it didn't.

It most certainly did not!

You're still not thinking literally enough.

OIN is an anagram of 'No I,' which not very satisfyingly satisfies the clue, (that's not *much* worse than saying 'less and more.')

It's not Oin, and there's no anagrams. :)

I think 'You're in second place' means the second letter is the 'red' one, so it could also mean that several dwarves (although 'any' would be hyperbolic) would fit the bill ... well, Oin, Bifur, Fili and Kili in this case, since Gimli isn't in the particular *sub-gaggle* of Erebor dwarves who went on the actual Quest of Erebor.

You're correct about the second letter being the one you're after, and that more than one (though hardly 'several') dwarves can fit the clue. It's not too much of a hint to say I originally wanted to write 'brothers', but wasn't sure if I could, is it...?

Well, I've ended up in Buckland ...

Yikes, don't go there!

Harad existed in the First Age, so maybe the spider is Ungoliant? Ungoliant still has a connection with Shelob.

Nah; earlier than that. :D

hS

[Urwen]

NORI ('Nor I')

[Pervinca Took]

Bofur or Bombur?

Fili or Kili?

Nori or Dori?

These are the only others with matching second letters, I think.

Is it NORI? (NOR + I).

Before Ungoliant?

Must be the little-known spider in Varda's bathtub.

Or the tarantula JRRT stood on some time between 1892 and 1896.

EDIT: cross-post.

Password: RUINING?

[Urwen]

If Pervinca's right, could 3 be Irisse? (Iris is a flower, and as everyone knows, she risked her own life to save another's)

[Huinesoron]

NORI ('Nor I')

'N or I', in fact, but 'D or I' was also a valid answer.

Before Ungoliant?

Must be the little-known spider in Varda's bathtub.

Or the tarantula JRRT stood on some time between 1892 and 1896.

Yes, it must. ^_^


Password: RUINING?

Nope...

If Pervinca's right, could 3 be Irisse? (Iris is a flower, and as everyone knows, she risked her own life to save another's)

But I'm going to give you IRIS. Check the clue again - but only the first four!

RUSSANDOL - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I!
2. - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary.
IRIS - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom.
NELDORETH - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach?
5. - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.
NORI - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place).
7. - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia.

hS

[Urwen]

Maybe Ea for 2?

[Pervinca Took]

Or VOID?

Is IRIS a reference to the flower as it grew in Ithilien, or is it something to do with the Gladden Fields, which were named after a variant of it?

[Urwen]

Password: Rainbow

[Huinesoron]

Maybe Ea for 2?

Earlier.

Or VOID?

Earlier. ^_^

Is IRIS a reference to the flower as it grew in Ithilien, or is it something to do with the Gladden Fields, which were named after a variant of it?

Hang on, let me check... apparently the specific reference is to the gladden, in Tolkien's parlance.

Password: Rainbow

Is correct!

RUSSANDOL - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I!
2. A - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary.
IRIS - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom.
NELDORETH - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach?
5. B - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.
NORI - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place).
7. W - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia.

If you figure out why, it...

... uh...

... probably won't be much help with the other clues, to be honest. But it might!

hS

[Urwen]

Time for blind shots.

7. Eowyn

[Pervinca Took]

Maybe each answer is connected to a colour of the rainbow?

RED: Red hair for Russandol.
YELLOW: The Iris?
PURPLE: Nori's hood.
GREEN: Neldoreth, because it's a forest?
ORANGE: The Orange Free State, South Africa (given G55's inspired and clever guess downthread).

That leaves:

BLUE
INDIGO

since purple = violet.

There is one blue flower: MENELLUIN.

From Tolkien Gateway:

"Idril Celebrindal's device, depicting a menelluin
menelluin is the Elvish name for "cornflower".
It was the emblem of Idril Celebrindal, is stated to be an inlaid plaque saved from Gondolin and descending through Eärendil and his son Elros and influenced Númenórean circular designs. The Emblem was taken to Gondor by Elendil."

I can't get the flower or Idril to fit either of the remaining clues, though. (I say either, because I presume (South) Africa is right).

[Galadriel55]

2. [South] Africa???

[Huinesoron]

Will fill out the password in the morning, but for now:

'Africa, South' is right for #2.

Menelluin is not right. Nor is Eowyn.

The colour connections proposed by Pervinca are spot on. Tolkien specifies yellow irises in a letter.

For the purposes of this password, the rainbow should be read as red-orange-yellow-green-blue-purple-pink.

(Because indigo is an invention of Isaac "Numerology" Newton. I mean, my colour blindness means I don't believe in purple either, but Tolkien used it, so I shall allow it.)

[Pervinca Took]

Blue and pink to go, then.

What a wonderful idea for a password, Huey!

(Pink instead of indigo matches the colours in the song 'Sing a rainbow,' which my dad used to sing to me when I was a nipper).

So …

BLUE CONNECTION:
5. B - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.

PINK CONNECTION:
7. W - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia.

For 5, all I can see is elements kind of resembling parts of SEIN, the German for 'to be' and possibly 'mine' for 'dig deep.' Could it possibly be something to do with the Blue Mountains? But what on earth does 'bein sei (east)' signify?

For 7, the only female characters I can find at the moment are WANDLIMB and WIDOW RUMBLE! As Wandlimb (Fimbrethil) is Treebeard's long-lost wife, could the 'pink' element be that the Entwives wanted more plants and flowers, and hence left? Maybe she left Treebeard and went looking for pink carnations, or something? :D

I've looked through the Ent and Entwife duet, and blossom is mentioned, but it is described as 'like a shining snow.' But I suppose if you wanted to stretch it, and say that blossom *can* be pink ….

Huey, colour blindness is not limited to red/green, then?

[Urwen]

7. Myrtle Burrows?

[Pervinca Took]

7. Myrtle Burrows?

Oh - that could be the funny thing needed to be done to find the letter, of course. ;)

(I did mention rotating Z to get N, or vice versa, not long ago in Huey's previous password). ;) (I was wrong then, though).

What on earth is the Roman Virginia thing all about, though?

[Huinesoron]

Blue and pink to go, then.

What a wonderful idea for a password, Huey!

Thank you! Kind of regretted it when I hit... anything past red and green, though. ^_~

(Pink instead of indigo matches the colours in the song 'Sing a rainbow,' which my dad used to sing to me when I was a nipper).

I CAN SING A RAAAAAAINBOOOOW...


For 5, all I can see is elements kind of resembling parts of SEIN, the German for 'to be' and possibly 'mine' for 'dig deep.' Could it possibly be something to do with the Blue Mountains? But what on earth does 'bein sei (east)' signify?

You've got absolutely everything right here. 'sei' is (at least per Google) the present tense (maybe infinitive?) form of 'be'.

For 7, the only female characters I can find at the moment are WANDLIMB and WIDOW RUMBLE! As Wandlimb (Fimbrethil) is Treebeard's long-lost wife, could the 'pink' element be that the Entwives wanted more plants and flowers, and hence left? Maybe she left Treebeard and went looking for pink carnations, or something?

Nice thought, but neither of them.

Huey, colour blindness is not limited to red/green, then?

My working theory is that my red-detection cones are vitually useless, meaning a) red isn't a particularly bright colour for me, b) it's easy to conflate reds and greens, and both with browns (brown, after all, is just dark yellow), and c) there's no 'purple' area between red and blue.

Just yesterday I looked at a rose bush down the length of a garden and didn't spot the huge red rose on top for about ten seconds. I halfway ended up picking it out by shape.

Anyway, tl;dr: purple is a lie invented for the sole purpose of winding me up.

7. Myrtle Burrows?

Oh, now that would have been better... no, but I had to double-check. You're in the right part of the world, though.

[Checks again]

Oh, blast, and I need to retract what I said to Kath - maybe you should go to Buckland...

Oh - that could be the funny thing needed to be done to find the letter, of course. ;)

(I did mention rotating Z to get N, or vice versa, not long ago in Huey's previous password). ;) (I was wrong then, though).

Perhaps that's where the idea came from, I don't remember. :)

RUSSANDOL - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I! (Red-headed Son of Feanor)
AFRICA, SOUTH - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary. (Home of the Orange Free State)
IRIS - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom. (Yellow flowers of the Gladden Fields)
NELDORETH - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach? (Green woodlands)
5. B - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.
NORI - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place). (Dwarf with a purple hood)
7. W - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia.

hS

[Urwen]

7. Crickhollow? (I mean, it does look pink...in the picture...if you squint...)

[Pervinca Took]

SEI is the imperative. For example, 'Sei ruhig!' = Be quiet!

(No further thoughts on the clues yet, I'm afraid).

And Blue Mountains is apparently wrong, so I didn't have everything right there. ;)

Hang on ... there's something else blue. Two wizards. And they went into the EAST.

Is the answer BLUE WIZARD(S)? Their actual names don't have the letter required, as far as I can see.

[Huinesoron]

7. Crickhollow? (I mean, it does look pink...in the picture...if you squint...)

Nope. It be a person.

SEI is the imperative. For example, 'Sei ruhig!' = Be quiet!

(No further thoughts on the clues yet, I'm afraid).

And Blue Mountains is apparently wrong, so I didn't have everything right there. ;)

Hang on ... there's something else blue. Two wizards. And they went into the EAST.

Is the answer BLUE WIZARD(S)? Their actual names don't have the letter required, as far as I can see.

Not the Blue Wizards (I tried to avoid using the actual colour words, to keep from giving it away). And the answer isn't "Blue Mountains", but 'something to do with the Blue Mountains' is correct (in fact, they're the colour link).

hS

[Urwen]

Is there even a person from Buckland with 'W' in their name?

[Huinesoron]

Is there even a person from Buckland with 'W' in their name?

Not as far as I know.

Oh - that could be the funny thing needed to be done to find the letter, of course. ;)

(I did mention rotating Z to get N, or vice versa, not long ago in Huey's previous password). ;) (I was wrong then, though).

hS

[Urwen]

Then why did you say 'go to Buckland'?

[Huinesoron]

Then why did you say 'go to Buckland'?

Oh - that could be the funny thing needed to be done to find the letter, of course. ;)

(I did mention rotating Z to get N, or vice versa, not long ago in Huey's previous password). ;) (I was wrong then, though).

hS

[Urwen]

I don't get it...

[Pervinca Took]

We're looking for a hobbit name starting with M, I think. I presumed that was why you guessed MYRTLE, Urwen? You get the W by turning the M upside-down.

Glad we're narrowed down to the Blue Mountains, because aside from VILYA I was struggling to think of blue things ... eyes in Tolkien seem to be grey, brown or yellow. I think Faramir gives a blue dress or cloak that was his mother's to Eowyn, though. And I tend to picture Luthien in blue, but that might be various pieces of artwork talking to me.

EDIT: some dwarves have a blue beard or hood, too, but it's possibly unlikely there'll ne another 'dwarvish' clue ... at least of the appearance/sartorial variety. (The Blue Mountains themselves have a very dwarvish connection, of course).

Now, M ... is MIMOSA pink? I think there's a Mimosa.

...

Yes, as I thought. She's a Bunce who marries a Baggins. Perhaps not near enough to Buckland, then.

[Urwen]

If that's true, then maybe it's Malva Brandubuck nee Headstrong (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Malva_Headstrong). She is pink and is of Buckland.

[Urwen]

Further, latin for bad is Mal, add Roman Virginia to that and you have Malv.

[Pervinca Took]

Wow! Cool.

I didn't realise Malva was a flower/plant name. I just thought it was one of those hobbit names with no apparent meaning, like Bilbo, Bungo and Linda.

Well done Huey and (I assume) Urwen.

I think I learned that mallow wasn't just a gooey bit inside a sweet when I saw it mentioned as growing on the prairie in the Little House books. (I think a marshmallow tree would be a little too psychedelic for Laura Ingalls Wilder. More a John Lennon kind of thing).

[Huinesoron]

(The Blue Mountains themselves have a very dwarvish connection, of course).

Gosh, do they? ;)

If that's true, then maybe it's Malva Brandubuck nee Headstrong (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Malva_Headstrong). She is pink and is of Buckland.

Further, latin for bad is Mal, add Roman Virginia to that and you have Malv.

I'm at least 90% sure the abbreviation for Virginia is VA... 'mal' is 'bad, Roman'. And apparently 'Malva' is the mallow flower, which is usually pink. :)

RUSSANDOL - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I! (Red-headed Son of Feanor)
AFRICA, SOUTH - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary. (Home of the Orange Free State)
IRIS - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom. (Yellow flowers of the Gladden Fields)
NELDORETH - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach? (Green woodlands)
5. B - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it.
NORI - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place). (Dwarf with a purple hood)
W∀˥Λ∀ BRANDYBUCK - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia. (Named for the pink mallow)

One to go!

hS

[Urwen]

So if we reverse that, we get IESNIEB...

[Huinesoron]

So if we reverse that, we get IESNIEB...

Ah, Maeglin's little-known younger brother Iesnieb Bluemountainhands! ;)

Nah, you need a different sort of 'reverse'. (And '(east)' is not a straight clue.)

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Well, you could reverse the 'dig deep' by filling the hole back in. :D

Or reverse IT?

And there's a B ...

Ah! It's TIB, Thorin's cat. He's one of those blue Persians, and has a bright blue collar, to boot!

(Another blue thing: Tom Bombadil's jacket!)

[Huinesoron]

Well, you could reverse the 'dig deep' by filling the hole back in. :D

What, with an earthquake or something? Oh - the sinking of Beleriand, right? (It's not Beleriand, fyi.)

You've actually pretty much pinned down the answer between these two comments:

For 5, all I can see is elements kind of resembling parts of SEIN, the German for 'to be' and possibly 'mine' for 'dig deep.' Could it possibly be something to do with the Blue Mountains?

(The Blue Mountains themselves have a very dwarvish connection, of course).

Though I don't think you've come anywhere near the cryptic answer...

hS

PS: Now I'm wishing I'd thought of Bombadil's jacket! That would've been a fun one.

[Pervinca Took]

You crafty devil! Because there WAS a Roman Virginia/Verginia and you put the two words together, I didn't think of using the abbreviation of the state.

I really have no clue regarding the B clue.

But TIB the cat is now official Pervinca-Canon, for your information.

[Pervinca Took]

If BE is an element ... but it isn't Beleriand.

BEORN lives ... to the east of the Blue Mountains. A lot to the east. :D

BELEGAER ... but it's west of the BM?

...

And you said EAST was cryptic. Oh dear.

[Huinesoron]

You crafty devil! Because there WAS a Roman Virginia/Verginia and you put the two words together, I didn't think of using the abbreviation of the state.

I really have no clue regarding the B clue.

But TIB the cat is now official Pervinca-Canon, for your information.

Tib-canon accepted. It's a Khuzdul word meaning 'cat' (ultimately suspected to be of Elvish origin, as a corruption of 'Tevildo' via 'Tebi'). He's either extremely long-lived, or people keep replacing him without Thorin noticing (shades of Esio Trot).

If BE is an element ... but it isn't Beleriand.

BEORN lives ... to the east of the Blue Mountains. A lot to the east. :D

BELEGAER ... but it's west of the BM?

...

And you said EAST was cryptic. Oh dear.

None o'them. You've forgotten a big, important B word.

"Bein sei (east)... and reverse it" is the cryptic clue; I think that's already clear, but just to put it up plain.

hS

[Urwen]

So apparently, the whole phrase translates into 'LEG HAS'.

[Pervinca Took]

Beleg?

Sei is BE, not have.

I'd forgotten the German word for leg.

Beleg the Blue, notorious pirate of the First Age? :D

[Pervinca Took]

You know, you could have used Sting, Orcrist or Glamdring for blue, too. They glow blue when enemies are near ... or is it specifically orcs?

Oh, by the way ... I had a hunch that SEI was the present subjunctive form of SEIN as well as the imperative. I checked, and it is: present subjunctive, first person, AND the imperative form of the verb too.

[Urwen]

But the clue also says to reverse it, so GELEB?

[Huinesoron]

Beleg?

You have successfully reversed Bein sei.

Was that the only cryptic part of the clue?

Neither Beleg nor Geleb are the answer.

hS

[Urwen]

Does 'ost' mean 'east'?

If so, maybe Belegost?

[Huinesoron]

Does 'ost' mean 'east'?

If so, maybe Belegost?

It does in my German, at least! 'Bein sei (east)' is German German (English), so you needed English English (German) to reverse it. And as someone guessed a while back, Belegost is a mine - 'dig deep'!

RUSSANDOL - Eldest son of the Urals with a little doll? Not I! (RED-headed Son of Feanor)
AFRICA, SOUTH - Far Harad? Shelob's lair? Where it all began? Maybe, but the direction is secondary. (Home of the ORANGE Free State)
IRIS - I risk many things, but only the first four blossom. (YELLOW flowers of the Gladden Fields)
NELDORETH - The middle of a funeral bell, a squashed door, the beginning of booze - is Luthien on the beach? (GREEN woodlands)
BELEGOST - Bein sei (east); dig deep and reverse it. (Dwarven city of the BLUE Mountains.)
NORI - Not you or I, but a choice of letters all the same. Pick a dwarf (doesn't matter which; you're in second place). (Dwarf with a PURPLE hood)
W∀˥Λ∀ BRANDYBUCK - Stand her on her head! Indeed, Bergil's threat applies here, to bad Roman Virginia. (Named for the PINK mallow)

THEME: Colours of the rainbow (in order)

Over to... Urwen, right? Good work, everyone!

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Very clever! There are two reversals, though - the translation one AND the reversal of LEG and BE.

I love colours, especially bright colours. And that, coupled with the cleverness of fitting it with a password, makes this one of my favourite passwords EVER.

Very handy that RAINBOW has the same amount of letters as it has colours!

P.S. How do you do that upside-down typing? (I think Nerwen has it under her avatar or name, too).

[Huinesoron]

Very clever! There are two reversals, though - the translation one AND the reversal of LEG and BE.

The German sentence/phrase "Bein sei" translates as "Be leg". Originally I wanted to use "Ist bein", but that technically means "Is Leg" and I didn't want to make it too hard. ^_~

I love colours, especially bright colours. And that, coupled with the cleverness of fitting it with a password, makes this one of my favourite passwords EVER.

Very handy that RAINBOW has the same amount of letters as it has colours!

Thank you! I was really pleased when it all fitted together, I'll tell you that. (And very relieved to find that Tolkien was thinking of yellow irises.)

P.S. How do you do that upside-down typing? (I think Nerwen has it under her avatar or name, too).

:ǝʇᴉsqǝʍ ɐ s,ǝɹǝɥ┴

ʇxǝ┴uʍopǝpᴉsd∩ (http://www.upsidedowntext.com/)

It's actually just using letters and other characters that look like the inverted versions - you can see the T doesn't work overly well. I had to manually reverse it to be written left-to-right, though.

hS

[Urwen]

Well, I've done my best to provide more straightforward clues for this one.

1. Discombobulated foe ran from him who started it all.
2. Tranquility inside of greeting? Return it for a founder's son
3. Confused country leads to a hero's mother.
4. Alike, with double path for 1's creations.
5. Attenuated register (in reverse) for the King.
6. Demise with two directions? It's all jumbled for a wise conversationalist.
7. Germanium? Predatory cat? A stockade was here.
8. Electronic glower and a saint were at the harbor.

Hope you enjoy it. :)

[Kath]

I didn't achieve well on that last one but here goes!

3. A confused country I'm assuming is an anagram ... so could it be Iran --> Rian who is the mother of Tuor, the great hero of men?

[Huinesoron]

#8: I have the name EGLAREST (e-glare + St.) in my head, but can't remember where it is.

Ah, one of the Havens of the Falas. That ought to work, then. :)

And for #6: my mind immediately jumped to the Athrabeth (I am after all a Finrod loyalist), and I think ANDRETH = death + North + Right?

hS

[Urwen]

1. Discombobulated foe ran from him who started it all.
2. Tranquility inside of greeting? Return it for a founder's son
RIAN: Confused country leads to a hero's mother.
4. Alike, with double path for 1's creations.
5. Attenuated register (in reverse) for the King.
ANDRETH: Demise with two directions? It's all jumbled for a wise conversationalist.
7. Germanium? Predatory cat? A stockade was here.
EGLAREST: Electronic glower and a saint were at the harbor.

[Galadriel55]

4. Silmaril, from similar?

[Urwen]

1. Discombobulated foe ran from him who started it all.
2. Tranquility inside of greeting? Return it for a founder's son
RIAN: Confused country leads to a hero's mother.
SILMARILS: Alike, with double path for 1's creations.
5. Attenuated register (in reverse) for the King.
ANDRETH: Demise with two directions? It's all jumbled for a wise conversationalist.
7. Germanium? Predatory cat? A stockade was here.
EGLAREST: Electronic glower and a saint were at the harbor.

[Huinesoron]

Which presumably makes #1 foe ran = FEANOR?

hS

[Urwen]

FEANOR: 1. Discombobulated foe ran from him who started it all.
2. Tranquility inside of greeting? Return it for a founder's son
RIAN: Confused country leads to a hero's mother.
SILMARILS: Alike, with double path for 1's creations.
5. Attenuated register (in reverse) for the King.
ANDRETH: Demise with two directions? It's all jumbled for a wise conversationalist.
7. Germanium? Predatory cat? A stockade was here.
EGLAREST: Electronic glower and a saint were at the harbor.

[Pervinca Took]

First Age?

Sorry, really wanted to help solve clues, but I was working.

So would 7 be GE + LION = GELION?

[Urwen]

FEANOR: 1. Discombobulated foe ran from him who started it all.
I: Tranquility inside of greeting? Return it for a founder's son
RIAN: Confused country leads to a hero's mother.
SILMARILS: Alike, with double path for 1's creations.
T: Attenuated register (in reverse) for the King.
ANDRETH: Demise with two directions? It's all jumbled for a wise conversationalist.
GELION: Germanium? Predatory cat? A stockade was here.
EGLAREST: Electronic glower and a saint were at the harbor.

[Pervinca Took]

THIN + reversed LOG = THINGOL?

[Urwen]

FEANOR: 1. Discombobulated foe ran from him who started it all.
I: Tranquility inside of greeting? Return it for a founder's son
RIAN: Confused country leads to a hero's mother.
SILMARILS: Alike, with double path for 1's creations.
THINGOL: Attenuated register (in reverse) for the King.
ANDRETH: Demise with two directions? It's all jumbled for a wise conversationalist.
GELION: Germanium? Predatory cat? A stockade was here.
EGLAREST: Electronic glower and a saint were at the harbor.

One to go.

[Pervinca Took]

CALM inside HI = IMLACH, the father of AMLACH.

[Urwen]

FEANOR: 1. Discombobulated foe ran from him who started it all.
IMLACH: Tranquility inside of greeting? Return it for a founder's son
RIAN: Confused country leads to a hero's mother.
SILMARILS: Alike, with double path for 1's creations.
THINGOL: Attenuated register (in reverse) for the King.
ANDRETH: Demise with two directions? It's all jumbled for a wise conversationalist.
GELION: Germanium? Predatory cat? A stockade was here.
EGLAREST: Electronic glower and a saint were at the harbor.

And over to you, I think.

[Pervinca Took]

Nice clues, Urwen. Here we go, then:

1. Belongs to a thing sounding like a seabird’s carpus.
2. Whatever the danger, one man desired this.
3. It sounds like a Scottish circle.
4. Note and depend in confusion, for a thing allowed to fall.
5. Aragorn calls for them, we hear, without direction.
6. A Numenorean’s centaur?
7. In the present, Macbeth, one might say, changes direction for it.
8. An Anglo-Saxon spear driven into lacework will produce these.

[Urwen]

So 1 sounds like Gull+Wrist. Can't make anything of it though....

[Pervinca Took]

I didn't achieve well on that last one but here goes!

3. A confused country I'm assuming is an anagram ... so could it be Iran --> Rian who is the mother of Tuor, the great hero of men?

You're doing great! Want to get a password of your own ready? They're really fun to write. Sometimes I get obsessed by the bug and write loads at once, so I have a store of passwords I can't wait to post!

(But then, I am quite odd, even for a Took!) :D

[Pervinca Took]

So 1 sounds like Gull+Wrist. Can't make anything of it though....

Ah, you've started with the hardest clue. WRIST is correct, but you need a different seabird.

The hard bit is that it's then something that *belongs* to that answer, not the seabird itself.

[Urwen]

Tern?

[Pervinca Took]

No. Because Ternwrist doesn't make anything meaninful, (AFAIAA).

[Urwen]

Angrist? (Rist sounds like wrist, and Gan from Gannet...)

[Pervinca Took]

Rist is right; gan is not. A whole bird, and no mixing.

[Kath]

You're doing great! Want to get a password of your own ready?
I'm very certain I'm not that confident! :D

Could 1 be Orcrist from Auk-wrist? Though I don't know what would then belong to it. Maybe Glamdring - its mate?

[Pervinca Took]

1. Belongs to a thing sounding like a seabird’s carpus.
2. Whatever the danger, one man desired this.
3. It sounds like a Scottish circle.
4. Note and depend in confusion, for a thing allowed to fall.
5. Aragorn calls for them, we hear, without direction.
6. A Numenorean’s centaur?
7. In the present, Macbeth, one might say, changes direction for it.
8. An Anglo-Saxon spear driven into lacework will produce these.

Correct seabird. The answer is indeed something that Orcrist has. Not a mate/Glamdring, although that is an excellent idea. Something to do with its appearance.

[Urwen]

Jewelled hilt? Or decorated scabbard?

[Pervinca Took]

JEWELLED HILT: Belongs to a thing sounding like a seabird’s carpus. (On Orcrist)
2. Whatever the danger, one man desired this.
3. It sounds like a Scottish circle.
4. Note and depend in confusion, for a thing allowed to fall.
5. Aragorn calls for them, we hear, without direction.
6. A Numenorean’s centaur?
7. In the present, Macbeth, one might say, changes direction for it.
8. An Anglo-Saxon spear driven into lacework will produce these.

Right first time, Urwen, and with the exact phrase, too! Well done.

[Galadriel55]

I'm very certain I'm not that confident! :D

I wanna echo Pervinca - do please try your hand at these! The good thing about this game is that you don't have to follow any particular style when making your clues, as long as there is a password. Many passwords tend to be cryptic, but they don't have to be! Besides, it's super fun to be the riddler every now and again.


I don't at the moment have ideas for the current one. I'll keep working at it.

[Pervinca Took]

Also, Kath, we've been making passwords themed for quite a while now, because they're more fun that way, but at the beginning and for many years that wasn't the case, so you don't have to make a themed one if you don't want to.

But if you're happier just joining in the figuring for now, that's fine too! And you might catch the bug of writing them later.

[Huinesoron]

I wanna echo Pervinca - do please try your hand at these! The good thing about this game is that you don't have to follow any particular style when making your clues, as long as there is a password.

I'm going to echo the echo, and add that having different styles actually adds to the fun! Otherwise we all get stuck in our ruts, and know exactly how each others' passwords work. It's good to get more people involved!

As for this one: I love the 'Numenorean centaur' clue for its sheer incomprehensibility. Hmm... a soundalike for Ar-Chiron, maybe? Nothing springs to mind as to what it could be, but maybe someone else will be inspired.

hS

[Pervinca Took]

Try finding a particular centaur. ;)

Damn. Where's a centaur emoji when you want one? :D

[Urwen]

Any of these (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Centaurs)?

[Pervinca Took]

No.

Not named in classical mythology, as far as I am aware.