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Galadriel55

03-17-2021, 10:09 AM

Oh! That "A for one" pointed me in the right direction: annum ("per annum") + 'a sin' scrambled = ANNUMINAS, original home of the stone that later wound up at Fornost (and after that went for a swim).

Is P something like PALANTIR LOCATIONS? Or Palantiri of Middle-earth, if the Avallone stone is conspicuously left out?

hS

Yes!

1. PLACES OF THE PALANTIRS: Theme goes here.
2. ANNUMINAS: One sin: imperfect after a year in the capital.
3. OSGILIATH: Middle of the starry fortress on the river.
4. AMON SUL: Endless lust, moan in turmoil on the hill.
5. N The second of two-coloured animal coat, disoriented in the sun.
6. T Water shell? One becomes none, fifth becomes one, in confusion face the west.
7. ITHIL: The moon stirs one noteless light.
8. ORTHANC: Step up, and Norse god can shake the tower.

Pervinca Took

03-17-2021, 05:05 PM

Could T be TOL ERESSEA?

Well, er ... there is SEA in it ....

Galadriel55

03-17-2021, 05:07 PM

Could T be TOL ERESSEA?

Well, er ... there is SEA in it ....

Not that either. Stick to Middle-earth.

Pervinca Took

03-18-2021, 02:06 AM

One of the seven was in Tol Eressea, though, wasn't it? But was it previously associated with someone else?

(I suspect I would fail Technology *and* History at the University of Imladris). ;)

Huinesoron

03-18-2021, 04:05 AM

I spent much of last night puzzling over T. "face the west" suggests the White Towers, but I couldn't get anything to fit the clue.

Technically I still can't, but if the question mark means "approximately", then "woter shill" is an anagram of TOWER HILLS.

... ohhh, and I've just this second got the numerology part. A (letter #1) > O ('zero'), E (letter #5) > I (Roman numeral).

For N: 'the second of two' suggests letter #2 of word #2, so MINAS ANOR? 'the sun' gives Anor, and... maybe 'minks' for coloured animal coats? Or else the whole thing is an anagram for something like 'dyed feather boa' or something, I dunno.

Pervinca, I think there were seven stones in Middle-earth, and one (master of them all) which never left Eressea. The stone in the Tower Hills was locked to look west to it, and one of that pair was maybe called the Elendil-stone? Or I may have made the last part up... :D

hS

Pervinca Took

03-18-2021, 05:29 AM

I thought of Tower Hills, but couldn't find any elements.

Galadriel55

03-18-2021, 07:19 AM

Correct explanation for Tower Hills. Anor is an anagram of roan, which I recall from bio class is an excellent example of codominance, but outside the world of genetics it means that the animal's coat has hairs of two different colours.

1. PLACES OF THE PALANTIRS: Theme goes here.
2. ANNUMINAS: One sin: imperfect after a year in the capital.
3. OSGILIATH: Middle of the starry fortress on the river.
4. AMON SUL: Endless lust, moan in turmoil on the hill.
5. ANOR: The second of two-coloured animal coat, disoriented in the sun.
6. TOWER HILLS: Water shell? One becomes none, fifth becomes one, in confusion face the west.
7. ITHIL: The moon stirs one noteless light.
8. ORTHANC: Step up, and Norse god can shake the tower.

Pervinca, I think there were seven stones in Middle-earth, and one (master of them all) which never left Eressea. The stone in the Tower Hills was locked to look west to it, and one of that pair was maybe called the Elendil-stone? Or I may have made the last part up... :D

Having done a slight bit of Palantir research for this password, I can confirm that the Tol Eressea stone is an entity of its own. The 7 that Elendil&co brought to ME are all in ME. 3 were in Arnor: Annuminas (later moved to Fornost and drowned with Arvedui), Amon Sul / Weathertop, and the White Towers (looking out to the West, towards the Eressea stone, also known as Elendil's stone). The 4 stones of Gondor were in Osgiliath (lost in Anduin, I think?), Minas Ithil (captured by Sauron), Minas Tirith (burned out of commission by Denethor), and Orthanc (serves as an excellent ballistic missile... no?). The chief of all 7 was the Osgiliath stone, also known as the master-stone.

The stone at Tol Eressea was it's own thing. It's also called a Master-stone, possibly on purpose to be confused with Gondor's master-stone. It has power over the ME stones. But I can't remember if it also has power over other stones that never left the West - I mean, surely it's not the only stone that remained in Valinor. Research time! Per Enc of Arda: The chief of all the palantíri, both in Aman and Middle-earth, which was held in the Tower of Avallónë on the Lonely Isle of Tol Eressëa. So I suppose its power actually extended fairly extensively.

Excellent job with the password, Hui! Over to you. :)

Pervinca Took

03-18-2021, 07:51 AM

I got as far as roan, but no further. ;)

Well done, Huey, and great password, Galadriel!

Huinesoron

03-19-2021, 07:48 AM

I got as far as roan, but no further. ;)

I got nowhere near it. :)

Excellent password, G55, and very nicely themed!

1. - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
2. - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
3. - Middle-earth's GREATEST singer left his signature underground.
4. - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
6. - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
8. - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, lose one, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

The theme here is very specific but might be hard to spot; fair warning.

hS

Galadriel55

03-19-2021, 08:59 AM

4. ELESSAR? Contains SALE + RES(ist), and definitely has many titles.

Huinesoron

03-19-2021, 09:26 AM

4. ELESSAR? Contains SALE + RES(ist), and definitely has many titles.

Yep! Spot on.

1. - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
2. - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
3. - Middle-earth's GREATEST singer left his signature underground.
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
6. - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
8. - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, lose one, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

hS

Galadriel55

03-19-2021, 07:10 PM

A slightly tongue-in-cheek answer for 6 - FIRE?

Pervinca Took

03-20-2021, 12:29 AM

Can't find the elements, but going to suggest ANDUNE (evening) for clue 2.

Huinesoron

03-20-2021, 04:18 AM

A slightly tongue-in-cheek answer for 6 - FIRE?

Yep! Based on my memory that the subtitles always say 'Loose!' rather than 'Fire!'.

Can't find the elements, but going to suggest ANDUNE (evening) for clue 2.

Sadly not; a slightly less literal evening.

1. - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
2. - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
3. - Middle-earth's GREATEST singer left his signature underground.
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
8. - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, lose one, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-20-2021, 04:34 AM

Undomiel, then?

Undo for turn around, perhaps?

Galadriel55

03-20-2021, 06:49 AM

I believe the title of Greatest singer was attributed to Daeron, closely followed by Maglor. However, I'm not sure how Daeron leaves a signature underground. :confused:

Pervinca Took

03-20-2021, 07:23 AM

I believe the title of Greatest singer was attributed to Daeron, closely followed by Maglor. However, I'm not sure how Daeron leaves a signature underground. :confused:

My thoughts too. And Maglor's Silmaril went into the sea, I think.

Huinesoron

03-20-2021, 08:26 AM

Undomiel, then?

Undo for turn around, perhaps?

Correct person, but wrong name. I'll accept it. (NEW RA reversed)

I believe the title of Greatest singer was attributed to Daeron, closely followed by Maglor. However, I'm not sure how Daeron leaves a signature underground. :confused:

Pah! Neither of them can hold a candle to the true musical master of Middle-earth!

1. - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
3. - Middle-earth's GREATEST singer left his signature underground.
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
8. - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, lose one, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

hS

Galadriel55

03-20-2021, 09:35 AM

Pervinca Took

03-20-2021, 11:44 AM

Really wanna get these out of my system. 1 inevitably makes me think of DUMBLEDORE, a word that actually appears in one of the poems and therefore has a Tolkien connection too. And 10 makes me think of RAUROS. No explanation for either.

There's 'red then it roared, rolling water's from the Mundburg lament thingy.

3. GOT IT! Slartibartfast.

Joking. It's RANKIN & BASS, innit? :D

Huinesoron

03-20-2021, 02:56 PM

Really wanna get these out of my system. 1 inevitably makes me think of DUMBLEDORE, a word that actually appears in one of the poems and therefore has a Tolkien connection too. And 10 makes me think of RAUROS. No explanation for either.

:D Sadly no (but definite future password idea there!). And also no to Rauros; this roaring isn't as constant.

There's 'red then it roared, rolling water's from the Mundburg lament thingy.

3. GOT IT! Slartibartfast.

Joking. It's RANKIN & BASS, innit? :D

Not that roaring either.

:D So no to either of those, but you're taking the clue about as seriously as intended - which is to say, not.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-20-2021, 03:36 PM

Is 3 Melkor, because he sang at the Music of the Ainur and was the greatest of them?

Galadriel55

03-20-2021, 04:04 PM

Is 3 Melkor, because he sang at the Music of the Ainur and was the greatest of them?

Either that, or it's the drummer in the deep. :D

(Seriously, good thinking! I was nowhere near this level of out-of-the-boxness.)

Pervinca Took

03-21-2021, 02:15 AM

Or maybe Bombur, because all but 2 of the dwarves played music at the Unexpected Party, but Bombur was the FATTEST?

Ah ... singers, not just musicians.

...

They sang as well, though!

Huinesoron

03-21-2021, 09:40 AM

All of these answers are cleverer than mine... :(

Perhaps I should amend the clue to 'The singer of the GREATEST songs in Middle-earth', etc. Because they're totally the best ever!

One of the last few answers is linguistically very close to the person being referenced.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-21-2021, 12:14 PM

Bilbo or Sam?

Or ... Bombadil ...?

If Sam, is his underground signature the pans he cast away in Mordor?

Huinesoron

03-21-2021, 03:32 PM

Bilbo or Sam?

Or ... Bombadil ...?

If Sam, is his underground signature the pans he cast away in Mordor?

Bombadil is the character (but not the answer) ; 'left his signature underground' contains, but is not entirely, the straight clue.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-21-2021, 05:28 PM

Bombadil is the character (but not the answer) ; 'left his signature underground' contains, but is not entirely, the straight clue.

hS

Barrow-Wight?

Huinesoron

03-21-2021, 05:42 PM

Barrow-Wight?

So you're right that 'underground' is the straight clue; 'Tom Bombadil left his signature' is therefore the cryptic clue. :) It does not refer to an actual event.

hS

Galadriel55

03-21-2021, 06:02 PM

Perhaps FORN then? Bombadil's name, as it would appear underground with the Dwarves?

Or, on a different branch, UNDERHILL? Though not directly connected to Tom Bom. :confused:

Huinesoron

03-22-2021, 02:39 AM

Perhaps FORN then? Bombadil's name, as it would appear underground with the Dwarves?

Or, on a different branch, UNDERHILL? Though not directly connected to Tom Bom. :confused:

Not Underhill. As for Forn... well, the dwarves are where 'underground' comes from, but Forn is not related. That's his name, not his signature. Signatures are (often) shorter.

hS

Huinesoron

03-24-2021, 04:47 AM

Just noticed an error in #8 ('lose one' snuck in there), so here's the password again with it corrected.

1. - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
3. - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground.
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
8. - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

For #3: how could you write Tom Bom's signature in a way that gives an undergroundy word?

For #1: the straight clue is a direct textual reference, not anything oblique.

And I will admit that the 'French element' in #7 is a chemist's joke. :D

hS

Galadriel55

03-24-2021, 05:45 AM

And suddenly it daens. Though the correction to the clue had very little to do with it.

8. ERESSEA: ER + SE(E) + SEA.

Huinesoron

03-24-2021, 06:01 AM

And suddenly it daens. Though the correction to the clue had very little to do with it.

8. ERESSEA: ER + SE(E) + SEA.

Correct! I have no idea why I tried to clue for 'Eresse' instead...

1. - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
3. - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground.
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
ERESSEA - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-24-2021, 10:37 AM

I Ben-adar?

But there's nothing underground about that.

Huinesoron

03-24-2021, 11:01 AM

I Ben-adar?

But there's nothing underground about that.

There is not.

The answer is an English word, which could also be a signature for Mr. Bombadillo.

hS

Galadriel55

03-24-2021, 12:04 PM

Tomb?

Huinesoron

03-24-2021, 12:18 PM

Tomb?

Tom B. it is! Sorry about that clue; it was the first one I thought of, and I don't think I sanity checked it too well. :)

1. - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
TOMB - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground.
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
ERESSEA - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

Pervinca Took

03-24-2021, 04:40 PM

Hang on - Freddo is a real world chocolate frog confection. Clue is saying O, not ED. SO:

FRODO

Who is not the Lord of the Ring(s), as Gandalf tells Pippin.

Password: Fate of Dead?

Huinesoron

03-24-2021, 05:07 PM

Hang on - Freddo is a real world chocolate frog confection. Clue is saying O, not ED. SO:

FRODO

Who is not the Lord of the Ring(s), as Gandalf tells Pippin.

Spot on! Freddos are delicious. :D And I figured they /probably/ hadn't been used to clue Frodo before.

Password: Fate of Dead?

Close, but no silver-bound pipe with pearl mouthpiece.

FRODO - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord!
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening.
TOMB - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground.
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles.
5. - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot.
7. - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
ERESSEA - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome.
9. - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...)
10. - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-25-2021, 02:23 AM

Huinesoron

03-25-2021, 02:36 AM

Very clever and very crafty. First we think Harry Potter confectionery, then I was searching for names that sound like 'Ribbit.'

Tricksy Huinesoron! Tricksy in his untricksiness!

FATE OF HERO? (Notholding out much hope with this, but ....)

Maybe there are 5 pairs, each a hero(ine) with their fate. Frodo and Eressea and Elessar and Tomb are there already.

In which case, could the last two be Mithrandir and Balrig, with something like mound or hill to go with Arwen Nd maybe Denethor to go with fire?

Mithrandir has MIR in it (and does rest of name have the elvish for dark?) and we use the 5th letter of Balrog - did it roar when it trapped its wing?

This is some really creative thinking! But wrong in every way. :p

In the interests of fairness, I will say that 'fate' means 'last confirmed' rather than 'last possible', and that Elessar does indeed refer to He Of Many Names.

hS

PS: Of course the Balrog roars! Haven't you seen the Bakshi documentary? ^_~

Pervinca Took

03-25-2021, 04:14 AM

Bum!

I was totally convinced that I was right!

Huinesoron

03-25-2021, 04:36 AM

Bum!

I was totally convinced that I was right!

I'm serious, it was really impressively creative. I felt bad saying it was wrong... :)

Of the remaining clues, I think #9 is probably the easiest to solve, while #5 is probably the biggest hint at the theme. Um, and please be aware that punctuation means basically nothing around me - the various exclamation marks are just me getting excited. ^_^

hS

Pervinca Took

03-25-2021, 06:52 AM

I think I've got 9.

MIRKWOOD?

MIR + (O)K(AY) + WOOD (tree).

It's a dark place.

FATE OF GEMS?

MIRKWOOD - Bilbo gives that jewelled necklace to Thranduil.
FRODO bears Arwen's gem into the West.
TOMB - the Arkenstone on Thorin's breast?
FIRE - One of the Silmarils?
ERESSEA - THE stones in Narya, Nenya and Vilya?
ELESSAR - The Elessar. ;)

Galadriel55

03-25-2021, 06:58 AM

Tom B. it is! Sorry about that clue; it was the first one I thought of, and I don't think I sanity checked it too well.

It's a fantastic clue! What a creative way to make words out of other ME words! "Signature" makes absolute sense now too. :)

Very clever and very crafty. First we think Harry Potter confectionery, then I was searching for names that sound like 'Ribbit.'

Wow, you were so far ahead of me. I still couldn't shake the Harry Potter connection.

I have no idea what the rest are, I only get as far as individual bits. The station is perhaps the ISS, and I am almost convinced the element is Francium. But unless the answers are fastissoak and Shirfo, I am afraid that doesn't get me very far. :D

If "belly of ship" is actually a part of the ship, not just the element placement, could be something like bay or hold. Brig? Hull? Cargo? Dunno.

Edit: crossed with Pervinca - Nice!

Huinesoron

03-25-2021, 07:18 AM

I think I've got 9.

MIRKWOOD?

MIR + (O)K(AY) + WOOD (tree).

It's a dark place.

This exactly, and...

FATE OF GEMS?

MIRKWOOD - Bilbo gives that jewelled necklace to Thranduil.
FRODO bears Arwen's gem into the West.
TOMB - the Arkenstone on Thorin's breast?
FIRE - One of the Silmarils?
ERESSEA - THE stones in Narya, Nenya and Vilya?
ELESSAR - The Elessar. ;)

Yes! All precisely right. Arwen is there because Aragorn gave her the Ring of Barahir, which has several green stones in it; and Elessar also had the Elendilmir(s). I'd sort of presume most of the Gondorian Crown Jewels (so to speak) wound up with Eldarion, but Tolkien never actually said.

I have no idea what the rest are, I only get as far as individual bits. The station is perhaps the ISS, and I am almost convinced the element is Francium. But unless the answers are fastissoak and Shirfo, I am afraid that doesn't get me very far. :D

If "belly of ship" is actually a part of the ship, not just the element placement, could be something like bay or hold. Brig? Hull? Cargo? Dunno.

Edit: crossed with Pervinca - Nice!

So, it's not Francium; there is actually another element named after France (and sneakily after its discoverer). And the belly of the ship is indeed part of a ship, but none of those.

Also, pandemics aside, how many masks are there in Middle-earth?

FRODO - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord! (Arwen's jewel)
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening. (emeralds in the Ring of Barahir)
TOMB - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground. (Arkenstone)
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles. (two(?) Elfstones, and two Elendilmirs)
5. O - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot. (Maedhros' Silmaril)
7. G - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
ERESSEA - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome. (jewels in the Three Rings)
MIRKWOOD - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...) (emeralds in the Necklace of Girion)
10. S - As it took the Fifth, it roared.

You know, if it weren't for Vilya and Narya, I'd be convinced Tolkien didn't know gems came in anything other than white and green...

hS

Pervinca Took

03-25-2021, 10:07 AM

Did the SEA engulf 5 kingdoms in the War of Wrath? (For Maglor's Silmaril).

Huinesoron

03-25-2021, 10:15 AM

Did the SEA engulf 5 kingdoms in the War of Wrath? (For Maglor's Silmaril).

I mean, it might have done, but more importantly, if AS takes the fifth letter... :D

FRODO - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord! (Arwen's jewel)
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening. (emeralds in the Ring of Barahir)
TOMB - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground. (Arkenstone)
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles. (two(?) Elfstones, and two Elendilmirs)
5. O - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot. (Maedhros' Silmaril)
7. G - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
ERESSEA - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome. (jewels in the Three Rings)
MIRKWOOD - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...) (emeralds in the Necklace of Girion)
SEA - As it took the Fifth, it roared. (Maglor's Silmaril)

Two to go!

hS

Pervinca Took

03-25-2021, 11:14 AM

Were any jewels taken to ONDOLINDE (Gondolin?)

No idea about the radio.

Frodo says those words in the BBC Radio LOTR, but the next's words, from Sam, are 'They're going away! The eyes are going away! Stars and glory, but the Elves would make a song about that ....'

Huinesoron

03-26-2021, 02:43 AM

Were any jewels taken to ONDOLINDE (Gondolin?)

Not as far as I know. (I mean, presumably yes, and lots were lost there, but not specific ones.)

No idea about the radio.

Frodo says those words in the BBC Radio LOTR, but the next's words, from Sam, are 'They're going away! The eyes are going away! Stars and glory, but the Elves would make a song about that ....'

The radio play is not involved. This clue references something much older, and not in Quenya.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-26-2021, 04:06 AM

You know, if it weren't for Vilya and Narya, I'd be convinced Tolkien didn't know gems came in anything other than white and green...

You're forgetting hobbit names. ;) And the Man in the Moon.

I'd kind of agree if you mentioned grey and green for eye-colour, though.

...

The only seriously ancient things beginning with O I can think of are ...

ORMAL (but did any jewels get sucked into it and burned?)

OIOLOSSE (but that word/name is Quenya

OROME (but is he into bling?)

;)

There's Osse, but see parenthesis after Orome. ;)

Huinesoron

03-26-2021, 04:21 AM

You know, if it weren't for Vilya and Narya, I'd be convinced Tolkien didn't know gems came in anything other than white and green...

You're forgetting hobbit names. ;) And the Man in the Moon.

Oh, yes, those hobbit-lasses - like Diamond, Berylla, Pearl... :D Pretty sure Sapphira Boffin is named afterthe dragon (https://inheritance.fandom.com/wiki/Saphira).

I'd kind of agree if you mentioned grey and green for eye-colour, though.

Those are... the same colours, aren't they? o.O Did he just want everything to be ocean-coloured? Would the next revision of the Silmarillion have turned all the black hair foam-white?

hS

Huinesoron

03-26-2021, 04:25 AM

The only seriously ancient things beginning with O I can think of are ...

ORMAL (but did any jewels get sucked into it and burned?)

OIOLOSSE (but that word/name is Quenya

OROME (but is he into bling?)

;)

There's Osse, but see parenthesis after Orome. ;)

But how much older are they than the Radio play? The source of this clue is the oldest thing in the Legendarium by a country mile.

Of the two jewels left, one has its own name, while the other is pretty much the most obvious possibility, given the rest of the puzzle.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-26-2021, 04:26 AM

GALLIUM means French/France.

But CURIUM is named after a French chemist.

The most obvious remaining possibility is Earendil's Silmaril, but I haven't yet found anything to fit, letterwise.

Pervinca Took

03-26-2021, 04:32 AM

OK. GALLIUM and the GALLEY of a ship are the elements, I think. But ....

Masks as in blindfolds are used near Caras Galadhon.

It isn't the light of the Silmaril caught in Galadriel's Phial, is it?

Huinesoron

03-26-2021, 04:35 AM

GALLIUM means French/France.

Gallium it is... it was discovered by Paul-Émile Lecoq de Boisbaudran, who definitely didn't name it after himself. It's pure coincidence that French 'le coq' is Latin 'gallus'... ;)

OK. GALLIUM and the GALLEY of a ship are the elements, I think. But ....

Masks as in blindfolds are used near Caras Galadhon.

It isn't the light of the Silmaril caught in Galadriel's Phial, is it?

'tis not, nor is it Galley. These masks are proper masks, not some namby-pamby Elvish nonsense.

The most obvious remaining possibility is Earendil's Silmaril, but I haven't yet found anything to fit, letterwise.

Correct jewel. This answer is a bit sideways, but 100% accurate.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-26-2021, 04:52 AM

Oh, yes, those hobbit-lasses - like Diamond, Berylla, Pearl... :D Pretty sure Sapphira Boffin is named afterthe dragon (https://inheritance.fandom.com/wiki/Saphira).

Those are... the same colours, aren't they? o.O Did he just want everything to be ocean-coloured? Would the next revision of the Silmarillion have turned all the black hair foam-white?

hS

How about Ruby Bolger, Ruby Gamgee and Amethyst?

No Topaz or Coral, I'll allow. Or Amber.

Galadriel55

03-28-2021, 07:00 PM

5. O - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!

No idea what to do with this. Equally no idea if the oldest thing in the legendarium is in the story timeline or in Tolkien writing timeline. However, on radio devices, the next word after a sentence could be OVER, which has the right letter. This can't be the whole clue, but maybe something like OVERHEAD for Earendil's Silmaril? :D

'tis not, nor is it Galley. These masks are proper masks, not some namby-pamby Elvish nonsense.

Did Numenor have a custom of holding masquerade balls by any chance? :confused:

Huinesoron

03-29-2021, 01:37 AM

No idea what to do with this. Equally no idea if the oldest thing in the legendarium is in the story timeline or in Tolkien writing timeline. However, on radio devices, the next word after a sentence could be OVER, which has the right letter. This can't be the whole clue, but maybe something like OVERHEAD for Earendil's Silmaril? :D

Can't it?

Eala Earendel engla beorhtast!
Ofer middangeard monnum sended

"Hail, Earendel, brightest of angels!
Over Middle-earth sent to Men"

Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima!
...

~The Crist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_I#Influence_on_other_writers), ca. AD 800. Read by Tolkien in 1913, and the source of Earendil the Evening-Star.

FRODO - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord! (Arwen's jewel)
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening. (emeralds in the Ring of Barahir)
TOMB - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground. (Arkenstone)
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles. (two(?) Elfstones, and two Elendilmirs)
OVER - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! (Luthien's Silmaril)
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot. (Maedhros' Silmaril)
7. G - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here!
ERESSEA - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome. (jewels in the Three Rings)
MIRKWOOD - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...) (emeralds in the Necklace of Girion)
SEA - As it took the Fifth, it roared. (Maglor's Silmaril)

I think it's a perfectly accurate answer to 'where's the Silmaril now?'. :D

Did Numenor have a custom of holding masquerade balls by any chance? :confused:

Not as far as I know, though I wouldn't put it past them. Picture the moment someone shows up in a very tasteless Melkor mask - then takes it off to reveal that he's the heir to the sceptre...!

The final gem was given by one elf to another in token of friendship, and then passed to the mask-wearers as payment.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-29-2021, 04:17 AM

Nimphelos is a named pearl. No G in it, though. ;)

I know Cynewulf's Crist. Just didn't realise Frodo was talking to Earendil on a radio. :D

I have a feeling I found GARNETS when I once went hunting for jewels to make a password with. But you want a named jewel.

Oh yes ... Turgon's crown. Not helpful for an answer.

I don't remember any masks except the one Sam doesn't have to cover Frodo's face with to make him look like an orc.

Huinesoron

03-29-2021, 04:25 AM

Nimphelos is a named pearl. No G in it, though. ;)

That's the one! (I think there's only two jewels with personal names, this and the Arkenstone - all the others are in named pieces of jewellery. Have I missed any?) Remember that the answer isn't the jewel, but where it ended up...

I know Cynewulf's Crist. Just didn't realise Frodo was talking to Earendil on a radio. : D

That's what the Phial is. The glow is just the LEDs showing it's powered up. :D

I have a feeling I found GARNETS when I once went hunting for jewels to make a password with.

Oh yes ... Turgon's crown. Not helpful for an answer.

I think I remember that, actually! Gondolin would have been really useful for G, had I thought of it... :(

hS

Pervinca Took

03-29-2021, 07:05 AM

I wonder if looking in the Silmarillion glossary will help with the last one. Am supposed to be working, though ....

Huinesoron

03-29-2021, 07:19 AM

I wonder if looking in the Silmarillion glossary will help with the last one. Am supposed to be working, though ....

Can confirm that it's in the Index of Names.

hS

Pervinca Took

03-29-2021, 02:57 PM

Can confirm that it's in the Index of Names.

hS

Couldn't find anything under G.

Huinesoron

03-29-2021, 03:11 PM

Couldn't find anything under G.

Nimphelos' fate is in "Of the Sindar", about four paragraphs in; you're looking for another name of the place it winds up.

hS

Galadriel55

03-30-2021, 05:18 PM

Nimphelos ended up in Belegost, but full disclosure, I had to look up its other name. Dwarves called it GABILGATHOL. Ga + HOL(E) + ??? Also, can't remember if they wore masks. :confused:

Huinesoron

03-31-2021, 01:41 AM

Nimphelos ended up in Belegost, but full disclosure, I had to look up its other name. Dwarves called it GABILGATHOL. Ga + HOL(E) + ??? Also, can't remember if they wore masks. :confused:

Ga + bilg[e] + at (French 'and', with the vowel swapped, moved up in the word) + hol[e].

Honestly, I thought the masks would be a bigger clue than they were: they're pretty much the only thing I remember about the dwarves of Beleriand!

Last of all the eastern force to stand firm were the Dwarves of Belegost, and thus they won renown. For the Naugrim withstood fire more hardily than either Elves or Men, and it was their custom moreover to wear great masks in battle hideous to look upon; and those stood them in good stead against the dragons.

Apparently Turin finds one of their masks in Nargothrond and goes 'you know what would really throw people? A Man who looks like an Elf wearing a Dwarf mask!'. Or maybe he was just missing his angry hat.

Anyway!

FRODO - A chocolate frog? O but Ed, no! He is no lord! (Arwen's jewel)
ARWEN - Turn round and restore the sun god in the evening. (emeralds in the Ring of Barahir)
TOMB - Singer of Middle-earth's GREATEST songs left his signature underground. (Arkenstone)
ELESSAR - Half-resist the sale, mix it up with many titles. (two(?) Elfstones, and two Elendilmirs)
OVER - On the radio, the next word: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! (Luthien's Silmaril)
FIRE - One thing the movie archers did not do; it's pretty hot. (Maedhros' Silmaril)
GABILGATHOL - A French element in the belly of a ship; instead of the end, a hole (and French swapped and moved) - wear a mask here! (Nimphelos)
ERESSEA - Um (not um)... look back, briefly see the Sea, and it's lonesome. (jewels in the Three Rings)
MIRKWOOD - A space station! Quick, it's okay, it's just a tree (but it's dark...) (emeralds in the Necklace of Girion)
SEA - As it took the Fifth, it roared. (Maglor's Silmaril)

Over to Pervinca, and excellent work by both! This was hard-won.

Pervinca Took

03-31-2021, 03:49 AM

Good work, both. Excellent password, and Galadriel solved the hardest clues.

This is my 117th password! I keep them all in a Word document, and I counted them.

1. Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool.
2. Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
3. Man of confused parts.
4. Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
5. Poldark around two notes? See him!
6. Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
7. Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
8. Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.
9. Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
10. Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
11. Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
12. For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
13. Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.
14. Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy!
15. Fingolfin’s was the first.
16. Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
17. Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
18. Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

Huinesoron

03-31-2021, 07:28 AM

That's an utterly bananas number of passwords, you realise that, right? ;)

For #9: TNT with a different direction + KINE = TRINKET.

And #2 is backwards LIE around LEND = ELENDIL.

hS

Galadriel55

03-31-2021, 07:51 AM

12. DIS + RUL(E) + I = ISILDUR

So apparently the phenomenon where all caps posts are automatically uncapitalized also holds true if there are numbers present. I guess you really need lowercase letters.

ETA:
13. RAID? AIR + D

Huinesoron

03-31-2021, 08:13 AM

#6 sounds like 'box' - X + M, scrambled = ... BOM? Either -bur or -badil, I suppose (more likely the latter; I don't think dwarves do nicknames).

hS

Pervinca Took

03-31-2021, 09:14 AM

1. Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool.
ELENDIL: Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
3. Man of confused parts.
4. Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
5. Poldark around two notes? See him!
6. Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
7. Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
8. Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.
TRINKET: Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
10. Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
11. Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
ISILDUR: For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
RAID: Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.
14. Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy, and hot!
15. Fingolfin’s was the first.
16. Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
17. Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
18. Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

Good work.

Wrong kind of chest, Huinesoron.

EDIT - Have slightly altered one of the remaining clues.

Pervinca Took

03-31-2021, 01:21 PM

#6 sounds like 'box' - X + M, scrambled = ... BOM? Either -bur or -badil, I suppose (more likely the latter; I don't think dwarves do nicknames).

hS

They kind of do, because they don't tell other races their real names. Not that that really makes Thorin, Dori etc nicknames.

Not a dwarf, anyway. And as I said, not that kind of chest.

Galadriel55

03-31-2021, 06:07 PM

7. Knights have to say NI, so with LE and DORM that makes NIMRODEL.

Huinesoron

04-01-2021, 04:04 AM

Pervinca Took

04-01-2021, 05:16 AM

#6: I'm looking at 'thorax > thoram', but while Mathor is a plausible Tolkien name (derived from Noldorin Maethor, 'Warrior'), I can't find any evidence it actually is one.

#10: could just about be ALATAR - 'allo, ahhhhh.

hS

Mathor isn't a Tolkien name, but he has an anagram friend who is.

Not Alatar. The right-sounding sigh, but not my choice of spelling.

Huinesoron

04-01-2021, 06:35 AM

Mathor isn't a Tolkien name, but he has an anagram friend who is.

It's probably not Ramoth (https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Ramoth) or Mothra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothra), is it? ;) Er...

Oh! AMROTH. I forgot that -mr- was even a possible sound. :rolleyes:

hS

Pervinca Took

04-01-2021, 06:41 AM

1. Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool.
ELENDIL: Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
3. Man of confused parts.
4. Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
5. Poldark around two notes? See him!
AMROTH: Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
7. Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
8. Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.
TRINKET: Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
10. Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
11. Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
ISILDUR: For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
RAID: Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.
14. Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy, and hot!
15. Fingolfin’s was the first.
16. Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
17. Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
18. Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

That's him!

Galadriel55

04-01-2021, 09:35 AM

Bumping NIMRODEL for consideration.

15. Possibly FATHER, in echo of Mandos' famous words to Feanor?

Pervinca Took

04-01-2021, 09:47 AM

1. Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool.
ELENDIL: Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
3. Man of confused parts.
4. Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
5. Poldark around two notes? See him!
AMROTH: Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
NIMRODEL: Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
8. Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.
TRINKET: Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
10. Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
11. Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
ISILDUR: For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
RAID: Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.
14. Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy, and hot!
15. Fingolfin’s was the first.
16. Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
17. Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
18. Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

Really sorry, G55! Saw your answer but forgot to acknowledge it and put it in.

Not father, but a great answer. It could apply to loads of characters. I just chose Fingolfin.

Galadriel55

04-06-2021, 08:50 AM

18. Working with Auror (Harry Potter again), I got to SAURON: S and N are compass points at the end, and the middle is nearly an auror.

8. DENETHOR, from EDEN + THOR.

Pervinca Took

04-06-2021, 10:11 AM

1. Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool?
ELENDIL: Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
3. Man of confused parts.
4. Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
5. Poldark around two notes? See him!
AMROTH: Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
NIMRODEL: Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
DENETHOR: Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.
TRINKET: Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
10. Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
11. Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
ISILDUR: For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
RAID: Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.
14. Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy, and hot!
15. Fingolfin’s was the first.
16. Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
17. Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
SAURON: Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

Indeed!

Soriman the Whide

04-06-2021, 09:33 PM

Pervinca Took

04-07-2021, 12:46 AM

Hi Soriman! Welcome to the Downs.

There's a link on Page 1 to the different kinds of clues to be found in cryptic puzzles, but I've just tried said link, and it doesn't work any more.

A hint or two instead, perhaps? For 3, what's another word for a part?

As another hint, I've added a question mark at the end of number one, because the answer shouldn't be used as an immolation tool, but someone attempts to use it as such in LOTR.

Huinesoron

04-07-2021, 02:55 AM

I've spent far too much time arriving at nonsense.

Hey, no stealing my method! ;)

This is all very interesting and seems like fun but it appears to me that years of playing this game has made you all far too good at this.
Would anybody please explain in a little more detail how you might arrive at a guess that seems reasonable?

Let's take #1 as an example, and maybe I'll figure out the answer as I go... :D The first thing I do is look for anagram indicators - in this case, "troubled" suggests that the letters are probably scrambled at some point. "Note" is also a useful word - it usually means we're adding (or removing, in this case - "without note") one of the musical notes A-G. ("Direction" could mean something like N for North, or L for Left; we've even had U and D for Up and Down!)

So now I'm at "Refund [minus one of A-G]. [Anagram of] immolation tool?". Most of the time, we need to look for synonyms of the parts of the clue - "refund" might be "rebate", "pay back", "compensate". All of those contain notes, so any would be possible - but how many could give a Tolkien-related answer?

The structure of most clues these days is that you have a straight clue, which tells you what the actual answer means ("archer" could point at Legolas; a lot of these are "him" or "there"), and a cryptic clue which constructs the word through anagrams and synonyms and so forth ("construction toy + girl - S" would be Lego+las[s]). Given that Pervinca has hinted at "immolation tool?" being a straight clue (it's something actually used in the books), I think the split is:

CRYPTIC: [Synonym of 'refund'] [minus one of A-G] [anagrammed] = STRAIGHT: [thing used in LotR as tool to set things on fire]

Then it comes down to trying things out and seeing if you can find a Tolkien answer. You can narrow it down by thinking about the theme - earlier I figured we were doing something about the Last Alliance, but Denethor has scuppered that. We're still looking at a lot of people's names, though, so I'd focus in that direction.

It can be worth browsing through the likes of Tolkien Gateway (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Main_Page) and Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp) (smaller, but with helpful thematic lists), particularly if you know the first letter, but often you can find the answer in your memory of names - 'Denethor', for instance, I doubt many of us need to look up!

... after all that, though, I still can't find the answer. ^_^ Anagrams are my bane, sadly; I just can't make them work in my head, so I have to attack them from the theme/straight clue. In this case, I've not yet managed it.

hS

Pervinca Took

04-07-2021, 03:09 AM

Huinesoron

04-07-2021, 05:11 AM

In clue 1, try treating REFUND as a verb. ;)

So REPAY minus A gives REPY, which is an anagram (troubled) form of PYRE, as in Pyre of Denethor. The only problem with which is, a pyre is most definitely a tool of immolation!

(Thinking about other meanings of words - eg, a verb not a noun - is another key to solving these things.)

hS

Galadriel55

04-07-2021, 08:50 AM

This is all very interesting and seems like fun but it appears to me that years of playing this game has made you all far too good at this.
Would anybody please explain in a little more detail how you might arrive at a guess that seems reasonable?

I've spent far too much time arriving at nonsense.

Welcome to the game!

Originally, passwords contained clues of any kind and were not themed. But with time I think they evolved to have themes to them, and became more cryptic. Here (http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showpost.php?p=73530&postcount=7)is that link that Pervinca says was broken on the instructions post, it has very good instructions to what cryptic clues are - though Hui gave a very thorough rundown as well. Saying that, clues don't have to be cryptic, and occasionally they are not.

Sometimes you'd work forwards - e.g. I solved Denethor by working with synonyms of "paradise", and got to Eden. Sometimes you work backwards from the straight clue, which is usually at the start or the end of the clue, or from the theme once it's known.

Saying all this, though, it might be possible that you've joined at a time in the current password when all the easier clues are already solved. Because if I had any idea how to solve the rest, I would be doing so now! So now it's probably time to start posting half-solved guesses, to see if we can tackle this by baby steps and teamwork. I think #4 refers to fields of some sort, in reference to Beatle's Strawberry Fields - otherwise I am having a hard time explaining the "strawberry". The only fields that readily come to mind are PELENNOR, which contain some of the consonants of "pineapple", but otherwise I don't see how it fits.

Every time I try to scramble Gorbag, I inevitably arrive at Boggart. The Harry Potter references are doing something to my brain. :D

Galadriel55

04-07-2021, 08:54 AM

So REPAY minus A gives REPY, which is an anagram (troubled) form of PYRE, as in Pyre of Denethor. The only problem with which is, a pyre is most definitely a tool of immolation!

Actually, just had a thought. If it's not PYRE, then what could be a tool that is not normally meant for immolation but was used as such? Mount Doom! To melt the Ring and/or burn poor Gollum. Orodruin? Amon Amarth? Lava? I don't see how, but does any of this fit the clue?

Pervinca Took

04-07-2021, 09:47 AM

PYRE: Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool?
ELENDIL: Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
3. Man of confused parts.
PELENNOR FIELDS (BATTLE OF): Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
5. Poldark around two notes? See him!
AMROTH: Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
NIMRODEL: Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
DENETHOR: Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.
TRINKET: Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
10. Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
11. Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
ISILDUR: For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
RAID: Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.
14. Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy, and hot!
15. Fingolfin’s was the first.
16. Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
17. Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
SAURON: Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

The reason I added a question mark at the end of clue 1 is that I had a thought about the word 'immolation' and, looking it up, my suspicion was confirmed. 'Immolation' specifically means to kill, usually by burning, not to burn someone who is already dead - which is what a pyre is supposed to be used for - the now obsolete practice of suttee being an exception, and Denethor's use of them being another. Thinking about it, that chapter name is a bit of a spoiler, isn't it?

For Pelennor Fields, I added 'forever' to make a big hint at the Beatles song, so I felt justified in just saying it shared most of the same consonants. 'Conflict' here was literal, although it can be used as an anagram indicator.

Soriman, giving the passwords themes was something we started doing a few years ago, (apart from a brilliant one-off one Galadriel created a while before that, with names of the Tolkien family), because it makes them more fun (and more challenging to create!), but you don't have to make your password themed.

Regarding Clue 17, I am a big fan of the British time-travelling cop show 'Life on Mars' and its spin-off series 'Ashes to Ashes.' Gene Hunt is a central figure of both shows, and the element I'm looking for is a nickname he is given in 'Ashes to Ashes' when he has left his native Manchester to work for the Met, (the Metropolitan Police, in London).

G55, look at the last word of clue 14. Then think of a possible near-anagram of Gorbag. ;)

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 12:25 AM

Thanks to all for giving me some pointers, I'll put some more thought into these puzzles, extra thanks to Galadriel for posting a working link to SaucepanMans' post.

Regarding the Life on Mars clue I spent a very long time thinking greater Lancaster and not Manchester so thanks for clearing that up.
As for number 14 it took an embarrassingly long time for something so simple...
GORBAG - G + L = BALROG.

Edit: to avoid double posts I'll just add this on here. I'd like to guess at THEODEN for number 17 although I'm not confident in that one.

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 01:19 AM

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 03:10 AM

Okay so number 17, I'm pretty sure Gene Hunt's nickname is "The Manchester Lion" minus "Manchester" leaves us with "THELION" or if you remover all the letters in Manchester from his nickname you're left with "HLIO".
Since you guys were nice enough explain the cryptic clues a little more I no longer think the two notes refers to a harmony and we just simply add two more letters (A-G).

So i'm pretty sure it's a 6 or a 9 letter word, probably a 9 letter word using THELION and 2 more letters.
This one is pretty frustrating I keep finding I'm missing an 'R' so maybe i'm wrong so far. It has also crossed my mind that I should probably finish reading the Lord of the Rings to gain an advantage.

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 03:20 AM

So i'm pretty sure it's a 6 or a 9 letter word, probably a 9 letter word using THELION and 2 more letters.
This one is pretty frustrating I keep finding I'm missing an 'R' so maybe i'm wrong so far. It has also crossed my mind that I should probably finish reading the Lord of the Rings to gain an advantage.

Oh! I think you've parsed this exactly right, and the lack of an anagram indicator means the two notes come right at the beginning, which makes it ECTHELION. Which does indeed come pretty late in LotR (it's the name of Boromir's granddad, and also of the Tower of Ecthelion in Minas Tirith, which is named after a different Steward Ecthelion).

I'm not sure how obvious this is from the thread, but it's entirely okay to guess the password before we've solves all the clues; that can give us the first letters to help with the rest. I'm pretty sure this password starts with 'People And', but haven't gotten the rest of it yet.

hS

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 03:40 AM

Oh! I think you've parsed this exactly right, and the lack of an anagram indicator means the two notes come right at the beginning, which makes it ECTHELION. Which does indeed come pretty late in LotR (it's the name of Boromir's granddad.
I'm not sure how obvious this is from the thread, but it's entirely okay to guess the password before we've solves all the clues

hS

Nice one! I completely missed that the letters had to come at the start. Thanks for the background info on him too, I just finished the first book so It won't be too long until i get to Minas Tirith. Thankfully i've already read the silmarillion & The Hobbit so i shouldn't be completely lost with other clues.

I don't know where to start with guessing the password, I see "Pendant" but we need another N.
If you have ideas on what the clues 5, 10, 11 & 16 are hinting at when they reference he/him, I can try to get us some more answers.

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 04:06 AM

Nice one! I completely missed that the letters had to come at the start. Thanks for the background info on him too, I just finished the first book so It won't be too long until i get to Minas Tirith. Thankfully i've already read the silmarillion & The Hobbit so i shouldn't be completely lost with other clues.

No problem; it's not always obvious whether there's scrambling involved or not (Pervinca is pretty good about marking it, the rest of us are bit more haphazard). I think a different Ecthelion (a lord of Gondolin) got a passing mention in the Silm, but most of his part is in the older drafts of the tales.

I don't know where to start with guessing the password, I see "Pendant" but we need another N.
If you have ideas on what the clues 5, 10, 11 & 16 are hinting at when they reference he/him, I can try to get us some more answers.

So the password isn't an anagram; it's an acrostic made by the entire puzzle. We know that it's going to be PE*P*ANDT**IRB***S; we just need to fill in the missing letters. (It's not always the first letters, but in this case it seems to be.)

It can't be 'people', though, I was wrong about that; I thought there was an extra letter between P and A!

Pervinca is really fond of using 'him', 'her', and 'there' as her straight clues; I don't think there's any more information in them. It's possible that #10 is someone associated with the colour blue, but it could just as easily be cryptic: synonyms for [hello] + [ahhh] + [blue] = a male character.

hS

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 04:12 AM

Or try a word for blue that's acceptable because Tolkien invented it. ;)

Ecthelion is right. E and C are musical notes.

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 04:44 AM

Or try a word for blue that's acceptable because Tolkien invented it. ;)

I was wondering about 'luin'... So I remembered vaguely that there might be a character named HIRLUIN (Hi + R = ahh + luin), and sure enough Tolkien Gateway confirms that he's the leader of the people of the Green Hills, who dies at the Pelennor.

hS

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 04:53 AM

It can't be 'people', though, I was wrong about that; I thought there was an extra letter between P and A!

Pervinca is really fond of using 'him', 'her', and 'there' as her straight clues; I don't think there's any more information in them. It's possible that #10 is someone associated with the colour blue, but it could just as easily be cryptic: synonyms for [hello] + [ahhh] + [blue] = a male character.

hS

Ahh thank you for the extra info, I was looking at substituting blue for sad but i guess that is wrong, perhaps it is blue in sindarin? Which might be Luin or Lhun but i'm not sure.
I think that "their" fits quite nicely in the password but can't think of a word that fits after, "B??ES".

EDIT: Ah i see you already got it hS, well done.

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 05:00 AM

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 05:43 AM

I have a guess for 11. I went with "Mundo" for bull and arrived at Eomund, might be a stretch but worth a shot?

Galadriel55

04-08-2021, 06:00 AM

The password seems to be clearing up. PEEPS AND THEIR BANES?

That gives us 9 pairs of Peeps and Banes.
Elendil - Sauron
Amroth - ?
Nimrodel - ?
Denethor - Pyre
Hirluin - Pelennor
Isildur - Trinket
Ecthelion - Balrog
? - Raid
? - ?

I don't think anyone of the guessed peeps was killed in a raid, giving us a hint about the remaining ones. And Amroth and Nimrodel probably mean that we're gonna get some variant of Sea and Mountains. BUT! Too many of the remaining clues hint at people. So perhaps there are some common banes in there.

Ohhh, Isildur coupd be the Raid peep, if there is someone else for Trinket.

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 06:26 AM

You guys are really really good at this, thats really helpful G55.

I don't think anyone of the guessed peeps was killed in a raid

If my last guess of Éomund is correct, he died fighting an orc raid in rohan.

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 06:43 AM

I don't think anyone of the guessed peeps was killed in a raid, giving us a hint about the remaining ones. And Amroth and Nimrodel probably mean that we're gonna get some variant of Sea and Mountains.

Aren't Amroth and Nimrodel sort of each other's banes? They each directly caused the death of the other.

hS

Galadriel55

04-08-2021, 07:04 AM

Aren't Amroth and Nimrodel sort of each other's banes? They each directly caused the death of the other.

hS

Good grief, I haven't thought of that.

Elendil - Sauron
Amroth - Nimrodel
Denethor - Pyre
Hirluin - Pelennor
Isildur - Trinket
Ecthelion - Balrog
?Eomund - Raid
? - ?
? - ?

But this means we are left without hint for the remaining clues. We have two hims, one man, and whatever Fingolfin's first is, meaning that at least one of the banes is also a person.

Going back to the clues and looking up Poldark, I think we're meant to use his first name Ross, given that it must start with S. ROSS + A + E = SAEROS. Now if tha is right another clue should be up for the taking, can't see which yet.

Soriman - it would have taken me a long time to get Balrog. And if you didn't get that one, we wouldn't have Banes. It's a team effort. :)

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 07:24 AM

Going back to the clues and looking up Poldark, I think we're meant to use his first name Ross, given that it must start with S. ROSS + A + E = SAEROS. Now if tha is right another clue should be up for the taking, can't see which yet.

So assuming Eomund and Saeros are right, we're left with an E, an A (maybe not a person), and an N. Saeros' bane ought to be Turin, but which of his nine billion names fits?

Agarwaen and Adanedhel are there, but don't fit the A clue at all. Neithan? If 'tidy greeting element' is three things all mixed together, then 'greeting' could be HI, leaving netan... which is NEAT + N (for Nitrogen). So NEITHAN for #16.

For the others, not a clue. I know Feanor was first with a sword, but could Fingolfin have been the first to wear ARMOUR?

Soriman - it would have taken me a long time to get Balrog. And if you didn't get that one, we wouldn't have Banes. It's a team effort. :)

This! Different perspectives are always key, especially in the middle clues before the password gets figured out.

hS

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 07:34 AM

PYRE: Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool?
ELENDIL: Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
E: Man of confused parts.
PELENNOR FIELDS (BATTLE OF): Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
SAEROS: Poldark around two notes? See him!

AMROTH: Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
NIMRODEL: Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
DENETHOR: Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.

TRINKET: Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
HIRLUIN: Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
EOMUND: Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
ISILDUR: For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
RAID: Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.

BALROG: Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy, and hot!
A: Fingolfin’s was the first.
NEITHAN: Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
ECTHELIION: Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
SAURON: Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

Quite right.

And to add to the 'team effort' point, we also get ideas for new password puzzles from each other. I was clean out of new ideas, (the above password is my 117th! - my earlier ones weren't themed, though), but my theme is what I was at one point convinced was the answer to Huey's last password.

Nimrodel, I confess, was a mistake. I thought Amroth drowned in what came to be known as the Nimrodel. He didn't, (I checked). He drowned in the Bay of Belfalas. So I'm not 100% happy about that answer, but I can live with it. She was kind of his bane, inadvertently.

Soriman, you'll be a password veteran in no time! :)

EDIT: Yes to Neithan; no to armour.

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 07:36 AM

Good grief, I haven't thought of that.

Soriman - it would have taken me a long time to get Balrog. And if you didn't get that one, we wouldn't have Banes. It's a team effort. :)

Thanks! I missed your post saying you were on it before I'd started working at it so sorry if i stole that one from you :D . Don't worry, it took me far too long for something so simple.

I think you are right with Saeros, I was also using the name Ross I just didn't get there.

I'm still pretty stumped on number 3, I've tried scrambling pieces, parts, bits, components, elements and thrand (before we knew it began with "E") but I didn't come up with anything.
I'm assuming "man of" implies that the answer is a place name.

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 07:43 AM

Soriman, think theatrically. ;)

Man means man. 'Of' means what you make his name from.

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 07:55 AM

Man means man.

-_- You're so helpful sometimes. :p

hS

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 08:07 AM

-_- You're so helpful sometimes. :p

hS

It's a lot more helpful than you'll realise when you see the answer. ;)

Soriman thought it meant 'man of ...' and hence a place name. I was pointing out that it doesn't.

By the way, I always remember HIRLUIN (and various others) because I hear Oz Clarke singing the Song of the Mounds of Mundburg in the BBC radio adaptation.

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 08:44 AM

I might have number 3 but i'm not sure...

If I said "What a piece of work is a man" would I be there?

Edit: Wait no I'm 99% sure that's way off.

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 08:54 AM

You need another word meaning PARTS in a play or film or TV/radio show/play.

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 08:55 AM

Soriman thought it meant 'man of ...' and hence a place name. I was pointing out that it doesn't.

I know, I know; I just like to pretend I'm funny. ;)

I might have number 3 but i'm not sure...

No penalty for posting wrong answers! More than once I've put up something wrong, and it's prompted someone to find the right answer.

I'm pretty sure 'confused' is an anagram indicator, and Pervinca is suggesting 'man' is the straight clue, which means the whole cryptic clue is contained in the word 'parts'. :confused:

hS

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 08:58 AM

More than once I've put up something wrong, and it's prompted someone to find the right answer.

hS

I prompted myself to find the right answer :), it is ELROS!

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 09:09 AM

I prompted myself to find the right answer :), it is ELROS!

... [Facepalm] It's from "roles", isn't it?

Well done! Are we left with just one now?

...

Elros died of AGE, didn't he? And Fingolfin's was the First... yeah.

hS

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 09:24 AM

It's from "roles", isn't it?

hS

Yes from "roles", at first i thought it was something to do with Hamlet but i was trying to be too clever, the extra clues really helped.

I Love editing posts: I didn't see Pervinca's last post which completely gave it away haha.

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 10:27 AM

PYRE: Refund without note. Troubled immolation tool?
ELENDIL: Untruth runs back and swallows loan. See him.
ELROS: Man of confused parts.
PELENNOR FIELDS (BATTLE OF): Strawberry ones? No. Pineapple? Well, mostly the same consonants. Conflict here. Forever?
SAEROS: Poldark around two notes? See him!

AMROTH: Ten lost from chest, but a thousand gained for him? All so confused!
NIMRODEL: Knights say it – mirror the French sleeping quarters for a streaming thing.
DENETHOR: Paradise disturbed, but meets a god – there he is.

TRINKET: Dynamite with directional change swallows Araw’s confused beasts to produce shiny thing.
HIRLUIN: Hello – a sigh is heard – blue, is he?
EOMUND: Note a slightly disturbed bull for him!
ISILDUR: For him, dwarf woman reigns endlessly with first person, in turmoil.
RAID: Mixed atmosphere, note – a violent thing that can happen.

BALROG: Gorbag is confused – loses note, gains direction – it’s crazy, and hot!
AGE: Fingolfin’s was the first.
NEITHAN: Tidy greeting element, all mixed up for him.
ECTHELION: Note twice, but differently – Gene Hunt, without his city. See him now.
SAURON: Caught between two points, almost a catcher of dark wizards … for another?

And that's a wrap! Well done, everyone. :)

Over to ... Huinesoron, I think?

Huinesoron

04-08-2021, 10:40 AM

And that's a wrap! Well done, everyone. :)

Well done, you! That was a good one - a few that fell quickly to get us started, a few brain-twisters in the middle, and a solid theme that let us clean up the last few. :)

Over to ... Huinesoron, I think?

G55, I think; I know it wasn't me, I was too busy being unable to count the letters in 'people'.

hS

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 10:57 AM

Thanks guys and gals for helping me get involved, this was actually pretty fun.
Looking forward to the next one :)

Pervinca Took

04-08-2021, 12:22 PM

Thanks guys and gals for helping me get involved, this was actually pretty fun.
Looking forward to the next one :)

Great to have a new passworder on board! And well done.

And well done G55 for getting the password!

Galadriel55

04-08-2021, 08:17 PM

Thanks! I missed your post saying you were on it before I'd started working at it so sorry if i stole that one from you

Nothing to worry about! Many people can work on the same clue - and that's the point, we often have to each pitch guesses and ideas before it clicks for someone. There's no claiming clues, so no stealing them either. :)

Well done on Elros and Eomund too! I can't echo Pervinca and Hui enough in saying it's lovely to see new people here.

Elros died of AGE, didn't he? And Fingolfin's was the First... yeah.

My god. Old age as a bane... And what can I say, Fingolfin's Age was indeed the First... Suffice to say that without the theme and Elros' name known, this would have been quite impossible, but with this knowledge it's actually quite brilliant. :D The bane of old age... This one's gonna take a while to get over. :D

Excellent theme, and absolutely brilliant clues. Even if Nimrodel and Amroth didn't work out as you initially thought, as Hui pointed out it still works quite nicely. But Age has gotta be my favourite!

This one is a bit of a cheat, inspired by previous passwords and written all in the last hour, so my apologies if not as original as its predecessor. I should be more like Pervinca and prepare these ahead of time.

1. Hang door trim on the chaotic peaks.
2. Male buildings, literally.
3. The bands sing right - or wrong.
4. Elder... yes, almost elder.
5. Bright welcome, both noted and unnoted, initially jinxes small tumbled wheels.

Soriman the Whide

04-08-2021, 08:59 PM

This looks just as impossible as the last one looked to me at first:D and yet as I read those through those clues a few more times I get an idea or two. I'll have some time tomorrow to get stuck into one or two of them.

On a side note it's lovely finding this place still somewhat active and it's even lovelier to find dedicated Tolkien fans coming up with very clever puzzles (so far... :p.).

Galadriel55

04-08-2021, 09:23 PM

This looks just as impossible as the last one looked to me at first and yet as I read those through those clues a few more times I get an idea or two. I'll have some time tomorrow to get stuck into one or two of them.

There's no rush to get at the clues. And if you're ever stuck, remember that we won't bite in the event of wrong guesses or half-guesses. In fact, we might confirm correct elements, or give further hints. A guess doesn't have to be a complete solution.

On a side note it's lovely finding this place still somewhat active and it's even lovelier to find dedicated Tolkien fans coming up with very clever puzzles (so far... .).

So far, yeah. *remembers the Baobab Pudding* :D (look it up on this thread if you really want to see something quite silly and quite different).

And if there's a puzzle or game on here that interests you, there's a good chance it might be revived. I for one am a ubiquitous poster and tend to get my fingers in all of the pies; I've posted in many of the games before and would be happy to again if they go at a reasonable pace, like this thread does.

Pervinca Took

04-09-2021, 01:25 AM

1. Hang door trim on the chaotic peaks.

'Peaks' seems the most likely candidate for the straight clue, so I went looking for a group of mountains/hills/mounds.

I haven't placed all the elements yet, but TYRN GORTHAD has HANG and a trim version of DO(O)R.

Still leaves TYRT, though. ;)

OK, I'll get me coat. :D

...

I used to write passwords ahead of time and store them until needed, but I made up the last one from spur-of-the-moment inspiration caused by Huey's last one.

P.S. I wonder if Baobab Pudding is like Blue String Pudding, the Clangers' Default Desert.

Huinesoron

04-09-2021, 04:25 AM

I was going to make a joke about how #2 must be 'man houses', but, um... it's not HOUSES OF MEN (/HOUSES OF THE EDAIN), is it?

Which, actually, means #4 could be FIRSTBORN - elder, and almost EldAr.

New page:

1. Hang door trim on the chaotic peaks.
2. Male buildings, literally.
3. The bands sing right - or wrong.
4. Elder... yes, almost elder.
5. Bright welcome, both noted and unnoted, initially jinxes small tumbled wheels.

hS

Pervinca Took

04-09-2021, 04:27 AM

I was wondering if the 'elder' one might begin with a word for a female elder ... NAN. :D

I think Huey's theory is probably more likely ....

Is 3 something to do with the AINUR / AINULINDALE?

Huinesoron

04-09-2021, 04:31 AM

I was wondering if the 'elder' one might begin with a word for a female elder ... NAN. :D

I mean, NAN ELMOTH is elder (nan) + a tree (elm), which is close to elder the tree. So it's plausible.

hS

Galadriel55

04-09-2021, 07:00 AM

Correct on Men, and I'll give Eldar. No to the rest. For #3, it follows the classic cryptic clue format, so the straight clue is not "sings".

1. Hang door trim on the chaotic peaks.
2. HOUSES OF MEN: Male buildings, literally.
3. The bands sing right - or wrong.
4. ELDAR: Elder... yes, almost elder.
5. Bright welcome, both noted and unnoted, initially jinxes small tumbled wheels.

Pervinca Took

04-09-2021, 07:02 AM

The password isn't THREE, is it?

Galadriel55

04-09-2021, 07:55 AM

The password isn't THREE, is it?

You got it!

I also realized I forgot to put an element in the last clue. Fixed now.

1. T Hang door trim on the chaotic peaks.
2. HOUSES OF MEN: Male buildings, literally.
3. R The bands sing right - or wrong.
4. ELDAR: Elder... yes, almost elder.
5. E Bright welcome, both noted and unnoted, initially jinxes small tumbled wheels. Take the third.

Pervinca Took

04-09-2021, 09:57 AM

So ... apparently THANGORODRIM is a group of three volcanic mountains ...

and it's also an anagram of HANG DOOR TRIM!

3. Did they have RUBBER BANDS in Middle-earth? It's possible- - the stuff comes from trees! :D

Or REGGAE BANDS? ;) Bet some of the Rangers liked them.

I'd guess RANGERS, but I'm not sure if there were three bands of them.

I wonder if one of the answers is to do with the three lines of succession in Arnor.

Hang on ... is 3 just RINGS? Bands of precious metal? Sings with R for right, or arguably spelt wrong?

Galadriel55

04-09-2021, 01:02 PM

1. THANGORODRIM: Hang door trim on the chaotic peaks.
2. HOUSES OF MEN: Male buildings, literally.
3. RINGS: The bands sing right - or wrong.
4. ELDAR: Elder... yes, almost elder.
5. E Bright welcome, both noted and unnoted, initially jinxes small tumbled wheels. Take the third.

Rubber Bands of Middle-earth, touring your city next month! Come to the concert for the best metal music in town! :D

Pervinca Took

04-09-2021, 01:35 PM

Galadriel55

04-09-2021, 01:42 PM

Is it possible we should take the second, not the third? Because J(INXES) + W(H)EELS would give us JEWELS, for three Silmarils.

Or does it end in JEWELS, but there's something composed of a bright welcome in front of them?

The second part is Jewels indeed, and you're right it's the Silmarils. But I thought "jewels" is a bit too general, and there is a more specific term.

Pervinca Took

04-09-2021, 01:50 PM

THE GREAT JEWELS?

GREET for welcome, the note A added and one of the E notes taken away?

Galadriel55

04-09-2021, 02:25 PM

Indeed!

1. THANGORODRIM: Hang door trim on the chaotic peaks.
2. HOUSES OF MEN: Male buildings, literally.
3. RINGS: The bands sing right - or wrong.
4. ELDAR: Elder... yes, almost elder.
5. GREAT JEWELS: Bright welcome, both noted and unnoted, initially jinxes small tumbled wheels. Take the third.

And back over to you!

Pervinca Took

04-10-2021, 02:29 AM

Nice one, G55! And nice work from Huey, too - I would not have got 'THREE' without his deductions.

Just a little one this time. And THIS one is my 117th password - I miscounted when I posted the last one, or rather I wrote this one first but decided to let that one jump the queue.

1. Land under these in Berlin, we hear. (We hear, dear, intermingled!).
2. Thorin wore a sky-blue hood for it.
3. They’re pluralised, elvishly, and magical. And the answer needs to precede the password.
4. Ingratiate or schmooze, we hear? The fourth, and his jacket, are significant.

Soriman the Whide

04-11-2021, 03:46 AM

G55 thanks for reccomending an entertaining read Baobab puddings:D

Anyway I tried to see if I could come up with anything for number 3 to get us an extra early clue on the password, as long as the second half of the clue is not required to figure it out.
I'd like to guess at Ithryn since it is a near anagram of "They're", I am not too familliar with the elvish languages and i'm not sure if I am correct but i think that it could be correct to drop the E in place of an N.

Not surprised if this is way off the mark but I might as well have a shot in the dark.

Pervinca Took

04-11-2021, 06:38 AM

1. Land under these in Berlin, we hear. (We hear, dear, intermingled!)
2. Thorin wore a sky-blue hood for it.
ITHRYN: They’re pluralised, elvishly, and magical. And the answer needs to precede the password.
4. Ingratiate or schmooze, we hear? The fourth, and his jacket, are significant.

Perfectly correct.

Soriman, here's one of my less reverent ones, with the solutions in, exhibiiting my general maturity level. ;) I have all my passwords stored in a Word document.This was my 70th one, although I didn't realise it at the time:

Though pedant proud this setter be,
To overload a clue, e’en she
Unwilling is, so therefore, peers,
For some of these, LOOK TO YOUR EARS! :-

SARN(IE) FORD: Crossing where people eat their butties – before that is lost.
FINGON: He’s a seafaring amputee! Ouch!
LAIQUENDI: These elves (and the lost boys) adore her.
THE FLOATING LOG: This pub has decidedly dodgy toilets.
YAMMER: Something you probably do if Rankin-Bass orcs are driving you.

CURUNIR: Wee dog loses direction, but prances and pivots until he’s found!
BAMFURLONG: Distance a horse can travel on its posterior? Vowel shift! Here it is!
TURGON: An unsung hero, because he evidently unblocked the toilet in Gondolin, even without being noted for it!
EARNIL: Dunno how this geezer keeps his specs on, or stops his helm falling over his nose!
SORONTO: Kanga’s baby’s bogies are projectile for him!

Soriman the Whide

04-11-2021, 07:09 AM

Oh wow I can't believe I was correct there, that clue was really quite clever. Well done, it works on so many levels but was difficult enough to make me doubt the answer.

Some of those clues from Password#70 are hilarious and evil. I'll have to go back to see how many people groaned at the answers :D.

Pervinca Took

04-11-2021, 07:32 AM

Galadriel55

04-11-2021, 12:03 PM

4. FORN, which I suppose sounds like fawn in the right accent? Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow!

Huey groaned with horror, as I recall. Mainly at the toilet humour, (well, toilet-related stuff that I find humorous). :D

I somehow have no memory of this at all. Did I not get any clues right, or was it so bad that I went amnesiac for the whole thing as a psychological defense? :p

Soriman the Whide

04-11-2021, 12:17 PM

I somehow have no memory of this at all. Did I not get any clues right, or was it so bad that I went amnesiac for the whole thing as a psychological defense? :p

It's worth a little read through, i think Fingon is my favourite just because of how silly it is :D. Well done on Forn I had no chance there.

Pervinca Took

04-11-2021, 03:04 PM

Huinesoron

04-12-2021, 01:58 AM

Huey groaned with horror, as I recall. Mainly at the toilet humour, (well, toilet-related stuff that I find humorous). :D

[Hisses like Tevildo facing Huan]

Anyway, is #2 simply the eponymous UNEXPECTED PARTY?

hS

Pervinca Took

04-12-2021, 02:06 AM

1. Land under these in Berlin, we hear. (We hear, dear, intermingled!)
UNEXPECTED PARTY: Thorin wore a sky-blue hood for it.
ITHRYN: They’re pluralised, elvishly, and magical. And the answer needs to precede the password.
FORN: Ingratiate or schmooze, we hear? The fourth, and his jacket, are significant.

It is.

Soriman the Whide

04-12-2021, 09:49 AM

All of the answers so far are characters that wear blue meaing the password is LUIN? The elvish for blue.

EDIT: I just read clue 3 again and my guess doesn't fit.
EDIT2: OH YES IT DOES!

Pervinca Took

04-12-2021, 10:16 AM

L: Land under these in Berlin, we hear. (We hear, dear, intermingled!)
UNEXPECTED PARTY: Thorin wore a sky-blue hood for it.
ITHRYN: They’re pluralised, elvishly, and magical. And the answer needs to precede the password.
FORN: Ingratiate or schmooze, we hear? The fourth, and his jacket, are significant.

Pretty much correct. The theme is the colour blue. The ITHRYN LUIN are the two Blue Wizards.

The first answer is also something blue, but it doesn't refer to a piece of clothing or a person. The answer will seem not to be blue - but the bit in brackets will show why it is.

I'd work backwards, by thinking of something blue. (It's not the stone in Vilya).

Soriman the Whide

04-12-2021, 10:29 AM

Yes I think I have some pretty good geographical entites to try make fit but i'll refrain from blind guessing.

Pervinca Took

04-12-2021, 11:13 AM

I think blind guessing is permissible on this occasion, because to make the answer fit, and not completely give away the password, I referred to a more obscure name, which refers to the same things as the blue things but does not have 'blue' in it.

Soriman the Whide

04-12-2021, 12:25 PM

I have a hunch it's a river not sure which one has a name that fits, I became slightly discouraged and found it funny when I found I can spell Red Herring with "We hear, dear, intermingled".
Not sure if that is intentional but it's great.

I'll have some time to put some thought into this at the end of the day.

Pervinca Took

04-12-2021, 12:42 PM

It's not a river.

Galadriel55

04-12-2021, 03:28 PM

I was toying around with Lindon, the land under the Ered Luin. You get the first half in Berlin, but not sure how the rest could fit.

Pervinca Took

04-12-2021, 03:59 PM

LINDON (ERED): Land under these in Berlin, we hear. (We hear, dear, intermingled!)
UNEXPECTED PARTY: Thorin wore a sky-blue hood for it.
ITHRYN: They’re pluralised, elvishly, and magical. And the answer needs to precede the password.
FORN: Ingratiate or schmooze, we hear? The fourth, and his jacket, are significant.

Ered Lindon doesn't mean Blue Mountains, but it is sometimes used as an alternative name for the ERED LUIN, which does.

'Unter den Linden' - 'under the Lindens' - is a famous road in Berlin. I think I once referred to it in a clue before.

'Underneath the Lindens, somewhere over there
'Itler's in 'is bunker, tearing out 'is 'air!'

(Deer/Ered goes in brackets afterwards - just to fit the puzzle a bit better).

Good work, everyone, and over to Soriman! Congratulations!

Soriman the Whide

04-12-2021, 04:17 PM

Lindon! it's written down somewhere I just wasn't sure enough, nice one Galadriel.

Good work, everyone, and over to Soriman! Congratulations!

Wow an honour but one that I'd like to politely refuse if possible if only for a short while. My puzzle making skills are a little weak, that said I thought I might be asked eventually and have been trying to write down a few good ideas here and there.

So can anybody please bail me out with this next one to give me some extra time to put a good one together?

If you insist though I could maybe push to scrape a little one together by tomorrow evening sometime.

Pervinca Took

04-12-2021, 04:24 PM

No hassle, Soriman. Take your time. We've been playing this game for years and can wait a few days!

Galadriel55

04-12-2021, 04:28 PM

Yes, absolutely! Take your time to make it, there's no pressure. And it doesn't have to follow the same style that we've groupthought ourselves into either, make the clues whatever style you want. There's absolutely no problem with taking a few days to write one, so go for it. As a side note, does absence make the players more eager? ;)

Soriman the Whide

04-13-2021, 12:39 PM

Okay I'm not too happy with the outcome of this but I'm sure I'll have plenty of time to improve. This one is pretty basic borrowing many elements already used in this thread, hopefully I haven't overlooked anything major, here we go.

1. Borrow we hear. The beginning of eternity followed by a boy reflected, note this; it's twisted.
2. A french transaction caught in a riddle with a twist at the end!
3. Salmon with direction would be lucky to make it here.
4. The flavorist Whaley is confused, the water of this region must not be used.
5. This rests upon a gift from a fair lady, take three from the gift to find a way and follow this path.
6. Obfuscated flat holes help to find her.
7. Two mighty figures guarding and doing, we hear.
8. A dressing with an audible sigh makes the role.

Pervinca Took

04-13-2021, 02:26 PM

Could 7 be the WATCHERS that Sam gets past with the aid of the Phial?

I'd guess AMON SUL for 3, but U isn't a direction.

Huinesoron

04-13-2021, 02:31 PM

I'd guess AMON SUL for 3, but U isn't a direction.

Up? :)

#5 seems to have Galadriel resonances, but that's as far as my weary brain will take me tonight.

Oh! #7: guarding and doing, we hear? I heard 'guarding Anduin', which means the ARGONATH

hS

Soriman the Whide

04-13-2021, 02:56 PM

Could 7 be the WATCHERS that Sam gets past with the aid of the Phial?

I'd guess AMON SUL for 3, but U isn't a direction.

Yes Amon Sul absolutely correct, U as in upwards ;).
I wish watchers was correct, it fits my theme much better...

Up? :)

#5 seems to have Galadriel resonances, but that's as far as my weary brain will take me tonight.

Oh! #7: guarding and doing, we hear? I heard 'guarding Anduin', which means the ARGONATH

hS

Yes Argonath! Although as you may see later my theme is rather loose :(.

1. Borrow we hear. The beginning of eternity followed by a boy reflected, note this; it's twisted.
2. A french transaction caught in a riddle with a twist at the end!
3. Amon Sûl - Salmon with direction would be lucky to make it here.
4. The flavorist Whaley is confused, the water of this region must not be used.
5. This rests upon a gift from a fair lady, take three from the gift to find a way and follow this path.
6. Obfuscated flat holes help to find her.
7. Argonath - Two mighty figures guarding and doing, we hear.
8. A dressing with an audible sigh makes the role.

Pervinca Took

04-13-2021, 03:39 PM

Up? :)

#5 seems to have Galadriel resonances, but that's as far as my weary brain will take me tonight.

Oh! #7: guarding and doing, we hear? I heard 'guarding Anduin', which means the ARGONATH

hS

Oooohh, clever clue! I thought of the Argonath, but could not see the elements.

Pervinca Took

04-13-2021, 03:58 PM

Is 6 SHELOB - HOLES plus B for B Flat?

(Love 'obfuscated' as an anagram indicator!)

Soriman the Whide

04-13-2021, 04:04 PM

1. Borrow we hear. The beginning of eternity followed by a boy reflected, note this; it's twisted.
2. A french transaction caught in a riddle with a twist at the end!
3. Amon Sûl - Salmon with direction would be lucky to make it here.
4. The flavorist Whaley is confused, the water of this region must not be used.
5. This rests upon a gift from a fair lady, take three from the gift to find a way and follow this path.
6. Shelob - Obfuscated flat holes help to find her.
7. Argonath - Two mighty figures guarding and doing, we hear.
8. A dressing with an audible sigh makes the role.[/QUOTE]

Nice one, yes the flat indicates B here.

Pervinca Took

04-13-2021, 04:55 PM

Really wild guess for 8 - SORCEROR from SAUCE + ER/URGH.

Pervinca Took

04-13-2021, 04:56 PM

For the new page:

1. Borrow we hear. The beginning of eternity followed by a boy reflected, note this; it's twisted.
2. A french transaction caught in a riddle with a twist at the end!
3. Amon Sûl - Salmon with direction would be lucky to make it here.
4. The flavorist Whaley is confused, the water of this region must not be used.
5. This rests upon a gift from a fair lady, take three from the gift to find a way and follow this path.
6. Shelob - Obfuscated flat holes help to find her.
7. Argonath - Two mighty figures guarding and doing, we hear.
8. A dressing with an audible sigh makes the role.

Soriman the Whide

04-13-2021, 05:11 PM

Really wild guess for 8 - SORCEROR from SAUCE + ER/URGH.

You're on the right lines, i'll refrain from giving any further clues on this one for now but I will say I think this one only works on paper.

Galadriel55

04-13-2021, 07:27 PM

I am actually finding these quite challenging! I wanna throw out MORGUL for #4, because we know not to drink water from the rivers of the Morgul Vale.

Soriman the Whide

04-13-2021, 11:11 PM

You got it Galadriel55, or are so close by saying Morgul Vale I should give you credit.
Although I had a different name for the same location, i'll put the answer in soon if nobody manages to descramble "the flavorist whaley".

I was pretty unsure how to guage the difficulty when writing these, just testing to see how difficult this one is.

Huinesoron

04-14-2021, 02:40 AM

You got it Galadriel55, or are so close by saying Morgul Vale I should give you credit.
Although I had a different name for the same location, i'll put the answer in soon if nobody manages to descramble "the flavorist whaley".

IMLAD MORGUL is the obvious alternative to the English, but I'm not unscrambling that from anything.

I was pretty unsure how to guage the difficulty when writing these, just testing to see how difficult this one is.

Looks pretty good so far; about the right balance between 'oh I got it!' and 'arrrrrrgh'.

hS

Pervinca Took

04-14-2021, 03:48 AM

I was thinking the same as Galadriel. Couldn't solve the cryptic elements, though.

...

Valley of the Wraiths?

Could 2 be an ARROW resting on Legolas's bow?

Soriman the Whide

04-14-2021, 06:47 AM

1. Borrow we hear/here? The beginning of Eternity followed by a lad reflected, note this.
2. A french sale caught within a riddle with a twist at the end!
3. Amon Sûl - Salmon with direction would be lucky to make it here.
4. Valley of the Wraiths - The flavorist Whaley is confused, the water of this region must not be used.
5. This rests upon a gift from a fair lady, take three from the gift to find the road.

6. Shelob - Obfuscated flat holes help to find her.
7. Argonath - Two mighty figures guarding and doing, we hear.
8. A dressing with direction makes this role.[/QUOTE]

Okay I've decided to make some edits to the clues that might improve your chances, you've all done rather well so far, you guys have guessed all my favourite ones.

Hopefully things will be easier to guess once you get the password, all solutions can be vaguely linked to it.
A big help towards this would be getting number 8, Pervinca Took was fairly close with "Sauce+Argh" at least in the format (You might want to try an alternative to sauce though). I've decided to change the clue itself as it simply makes much more sense this way and really didn't work much at all before.

Number 2 may also be a failing on my part as my translation may be a few letters out, I lowered the difficulty by changing "transaction" to "sale".

Huinesoron thought number #5 has galadriel vibes and I will confirm that it does however the gift in question is only a means to arriving at the solution which unfortunately is pretty unrelated to galadriel.

Soriman the Whide

04-14-2021, 07:02 AM

Valley of the Wraiths?

Forgot to congratulate you on this descrambling, took a while to put this one together, I wasn't sure if a "flavorist" was real but google proved it was real enough and they wouldn't want to use water from the mogul vale.

I wonder if I should've just used the V in Mogul Vale for the password and avoided a multi-word anagram.

Could 2 be an ARROW resting on Legolas's bow?

No that's not right.

Pervinca Took

04-14-2021, 07:17 AM

A MARINER from a marinade? ;)

I don't really deserve the praise, Soriman. I guessed we needed VALLEY because it uses a lot of the same letters as WHALEY, plus the V from flavorist, then looked up other names for the Imlad Morgul, thinking of what other letters we needed.

I did, however, google Whaley and flavorist before any of this, and came across a scientific document about fruit and vegetable flavours, and looked without success for a Dr Whaley in the credits!

Galadriel55

04-14-2021, 11:25 AM

1. Possibly HARROWDALE? E(ternity) + LAD backwards gives the second half. I thought "borrow" would turn into barrow, or perhaps boro, but harrow works too.

Soriman the Whide

04-15-2021, 01:34 AM

Galadriel Harrowdale is wrong but you have almost solved No.1, looking at your post you're only missing a note.

Pervinca sorry Mariner is also wrong, I might give this one away soon as it's probably the most embarrasing one for me. You did get the first two letters correct.

Pervinca Took

04-15-2021, 02:58 AM

Master?

I just can't see a dressing.

I did consider plaster, but don't know of any specifically named plasterers in Middle-earth. ;)

Huinesoron

04-15-2021, 03:41 AM

I was thinking the dressing might be mayo/mayonnaise, but I can't--

--OH! It's a role, right?

Is it Mayo + R = MAYOR (of Michel Delving)?

hS

Pervinca Took

04-15-2021, 03:53 AM

Is the password BRAVE SAM - things he's done, seen, experienced or faced?

Soriman the Whide

04-15-2021, 04:23 AM

1. B - Borrow we hear/here? The beginning of Eternity followed by a lad reflected, note this.
2. R - A french sale caught within a riddle with a twist at the end!
3. Amon Sûl - Salmon with direction would be lucky to make it here.
4. Valley of the Wraiths - The flavorist Whaley is confused, the water of this region must not be used.
5. E - This rests upon a gift from a fair lady, take three from the gift to find the road.

6. Shelob - Obfuscated flat holes help to find her.
7. Argonath - Two mighty figures guarding and doing, we hear.
8. Mayor - A dressing with direction makes this role.

Brave Sam indeed. Things he's used, seen, experienced or faced.

Pervinca Took

04-15-2021, 07:48 AM

EARTH rests on the silver nut once it's planted, and in its box, but ... Rd is short for road in the UK; is Rt short for route somewhere else?

Galadriel55

04-15-2021, 08:02 AM

I was actually wondering about EAST, as in the East Road, but I had no idea how to tie that to the gifts. It's somewhat similar to EARTH, so maybe that's the start?

Huinesoron

04-15-2021, 08:53 AM

#2: now that we have R, I wondered if 'riddle' was providing the R. French words for selling are built around 'vend', and RI...DELL + VEN(D) = RIVENDELL.

#1... I've been wanting the second half to be in(finity) + dal + a note, which means it could end with 'dale'. A nice Tolkieny element; the only problem is that I can't find any B places which end with it!

hS

Soriman the Whide

04-15-2021, 10:46 AM

1. B - Borrow we hear/here? The beginning of Eternity followed by a lad reflected, note this.
2. Rivendell - A french sale caught within a riddle with a twist at the end!
3. Amon Sûl - Salmon with direction would be lucky to make it here.
4. Valley of the Wraiths - The flavorist Whaley is confused, the water of this region must not be used.
5. E - This rests upon a gift from a fair lady, take three from the gift to find the road.

6. Shelob - Obfuscated flat holes help to find her.
7. Argonath - Two mighty figures guarding and doing, we hear.
8. Mayor - A dressing with direction makes this role.

It doesn't get worse than Mayo-R :D but the last two are not great, Galadriel55 was the closest with regards to item number 1 and you guys now know what the gift is for number 5 so maybe you can figure out the answer even if you need an extra letter for it :(.

Galadriel55

04-15-2021, 09:01 PM

Pervinca Took

04-16-2021, 01:34 AM

Being utterly out of sane ideas, I will throw out BARROW DOWNS for #1, because of "borrow" and, well, I would feel very stupid if it is that and I kept silent about it.

I was convinced that #1 had to contain DALE, but I simply cannot think of any dales that begin with B.

I was thinking of offering Barrow Downs or Barrow Wight too.

I have a sillier idea - Bree - B for borrow, E for a note and 'Erb (like Herb Alpert) backwards. :D

I wonder if the E clue could be something to do with the forestry/replanting work Sam does in the Shire with the earth from Galadriel's box. But if so, what could the actual word be?

Huinesoron

04-16-2021, 01:56 AM

#5: I think 'the road' might be the straight clue. I also wonder if the gift might be lembas, (things like 'box', 'bow', 'hair', and 'cloak' seem too general to immediately associate with Galadriel), but what can you make by 'taking three' from it? Um... elm. Eb-l ('evil, but I've got a cold'). The ESA, or Elvish Space Agency, whose ship Sam sailed to Eressea. :D I'll keep thinking about it.

(I see Soriman has said we 'know what the gift is', so I guess it probably is the box after all.)

#1: I don't suppose it could be BARROW-DALE as an uncommon synonym for the Downs? It would fit the clue perfectly, provided you're happy to hear borrow as harrow and then use a note to flip it back to B.

hS

Pervinca Took

04-16-2021, 02:41 AM

Eressea would fit the theme, because Sam goes there, but not the cryptic elements.

Huinesoron

04-16-2021, 02:49 AM

Eressea would fit the theme, because Sam goes there, but not the cryptic elements.

But EÄR fits both - it's three letters from 'earth', and is a Quenya name of the Great Sea.

hS

Galadriel55

04-16-2021, 06:38 AM

I had a thought that perhaps the thing that rests on the box is a blessing, not any physical object. I went to check, and:

In this box there is earth from my orchard, and such blessing as Galadriel has still to bestow is upon it.

I am still not quite sure what to do with it though. To take 3 perhaps means remove three letters. Or to take the third letter E for password.

Soriman the Whide

04-16-2021, 09:26 AM

Okay it's rather embarsassing that it took me this long to realise, my clues have become mixed up at some point in the creation process and number one doesn't actually work. We aren't supposed to mirror LAD. We add an E and a note.

For number 5 I intended to have you take three of the letters from earth and find the road.

Damn sorry to let this go on for so long with glaring errors
I'll happily put a little more time double checking these, again sorry to let this drag out with an unsolvable clue guys.

I'll just post the solved clues soon.

Galadriel55

04-16-2021, 09:42 AM

Damn sorry to let this go on for so long with glaring errors
I'll happily put a little more time double checking these, again sorry to let this drag out with an unsolvable clue guys.

I'll just post the solved clues soon.

Hey, we've all posted broken clues occasionally. Case in point, I think I had to correct a clue on my last one. Why not just correct the clues now, and give us another chance to redeem ourselves? :) I personally feel that I've been particularly dull this time around, and would live to give a try for the remaining clues.

Pervinca Took

04-16-2021, 10:15 AM

Is 5 just EA, then?

Doesn't have the whole sound of 'borrow,' but I'll try BREELAND for the B clue.

Soriman, no worries! This is excellent, especially for a first password. And themed, too, which we find more fun, but which isn't obligatory.

Pervinca Took

04-27-2021, 06:48 AM

As Soriman the Whide seems to have disappeared and it's been 11 days, and I guessed the password, shall I invoke the forum rule and post the next one?

Huinesoron

04-27-2021, 06:53 AM

As Soriman the Whide seems to have disappeared and it's been 11 days, and I guessed the password, shall I invoke the forum rule and post the next one?

I think that's fair. If Soriman re-emerges (they're in the Werewolf game, but tend to appear only briefly), we can always work on the last clue(s) in conjunction with a more current Password.

hS

Pervinca Took

04-27-2021, 12:28 PM

I think that's fair. If Soriman re-emerges (they're in the Werewolf game, but tend to appear only briefly), we can always work on the last clue(s) in conjunction with a more current Password.

hS

Ah. I didn't realise there was a Werewolf game on.

Huinesoron

05-07-2021, 01:30 AM

As Soriman the Whide seems to have disappeared and it's been 11 days, and I guessed the password, shall I invoke the forum rule and post the next one?

I think you probably can now.

hS

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 08:01 AM

Here we are, then:

1. How many hobbits to a) be company and b) destroy a Ring?
2. Participants in la chasse, as the French would say.
3. Take the second of a golden present.
4. Prayers on a star?
5. Take the third of the third to exist when the Istari came.
6. It’s a hard thing when Harriet Beecher changes direction, (3/4 pence).

Galadriel55

05-07-2021, 08:46 AM

That's a different style!

1. THREE?

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 09:00 AM

THREE: How many hobbits to a) be company and b) destroy a Ring?
2. Participants in la chasse, as the French would say.
3. Take the second of a golden present.
4. Prayers on a star?
5. Take the third of the third to exist when the Istari came.
6. It’s a hard thing when Harriet Beecher changes direction, (3/4 pence).

Correct!

Morsul the Dark

05-07-2021, 12:30 PM

If 4 isn’t Wish (https://youtu.be/pguMUFyJ3_U) I’m not sure what to think.

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 12:33 PM

If 4 isn’t Wish (https://youtu.be/pguMUFyJ3_U) I’m not sure what to think.

It isn't, I'm afraid. ;)

Galadriel55

05-07-2021, 12:43 PM

3. RING? A presentsss, yess, for Smeagol's birthday.

2. Participants of a hunt bring to mind that time Beren, Thingol, Mablung, and Beleg went to catch a wolf. Not sure what to do with this information.

Morsul the Dark

05-07-2021, 12:45 PM

hmm (https://youtu.be/6_y00kb_jVc)

I’ll think on it I think it might be more cryptic/symbolic then.

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 12:51 PM

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 12:51 PM

Galadriel55

05-07-2021, 12:52 PM

hmm (https://youtu.be/6_y00kb_jVc)

I’ll think on it I think it might be more cryptic/symbolic then.

I wonder if it's to do with Earendil and/or Numenorian traditions. I don't remember any of their prayers though.

Galadriel55

05-07-2021, 12:54 PM

Still thinking of hunts... I believe Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas are called the three hunters. If you count the hunt for Gollum to be a thing, Gandalf and Aragorn. I feel that as I still don't know what to do with this information, I am probably still on the wrong track.

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 01:26 PM

THREE: How many hobbits to a) be company and b) destroy a Ring?
HUNTERS: Participants in la chasse, as the French would say.
3. Take the second of a golden present.
4. Prayers on a star?
5. Take the third of the third to exist when the Istari came.
6. It’s a hard thing when Harriet Beecher changes direction, (3/4 pence).

Quite right about the hunt, and almost there on the prayer clue.

Huinesoron

05-07-2021, 03:16 PM

#3: A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden YOLK inside is hid?

hS

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 04:17 PM

#3: A box without hinges, key, or lid, yet golden YOLK inside is hid?

hS

Nope. ;)

That isn't a present.

Urwen

05-07-2021, 05:55 PM

#3: Lock (of hair), maybe?

Pervinca Took

05-07-2021, 06:45 PM

Galadriel55

05-07-2021, 07:42 PM

I gave up trying to think of something clever for the prayers and looked them up. The Three Prayers in Numenor were the Erukyermë, the Erulaitalë and the Eruhantalë. Any of these?

Pervinca Took

05-08-2021, 01:11 AM

THREE: How many hobbits to a) be company and b) destroy a Ring?
HUNTERS: Participants in la chasse, as the French would say.
ARTANIS'S GIFT TO GIMLI: Take the second of a golden present.
ERUKYERME, ERULAITALE & ERUHANTALE: Prayers on a star?
5. Take the third of the third to exist when the Istari came.
6. It’s a hard thing when Harriet Beecher changes direction, (3/4 pence).

I thought ERUKYERME meant all three of the prayers together. Just looked it up again, and it's just one of the three, as you rightly state. Apologies! That was the answer, but I've amended the answer to all three of them.

'On a star' means 'on a star-shaped island,' of course.

Urwen

05-08-2021, 04:46 AM

Password: Threes?

Morsul the Dark

05-08-2021, 07:28 AM

It’s almost definitely threes, which means 5 is not Narya.

Pervinca Took

05-08-2021, 10:51 AM

THREE: How many hobbits to a) be company and b) destroy a Ring?
HUNTERS: Participants in la chasse, as the French would say. (Aragorn, Gimli & Legolas)
ARTANIS'S GIFT TO GIMLI: Take the second of a golden present. (3 golden hairs)
ERUKYERME, ERULAITALE & ERUHANTALE: Prayers on a star?
__E: Take the third of the third to exist when the Istari came.
S: It’s a hard thing when Harriet Beecher changes direction, (3/4 pence).

Galadriel's last password made me want to hoover up the rest of the 'threes,' as far as I could. ;)

Urwen

05-08-2021, 11:04 AM

6. Stowe -> Stone

Pervinca Took

05-08-2021, 12:30 PM

6. Stowe -> Stone

Yes, but I'd like a bit more than that.

Urwen

05-08-2021, 01:58 PM

Yes, but I'd like a bit more than that.

More of what?

Pervinca Took

05-08-2021, 05:17 PM

More of what?

'Stone' is not the whole answer. Only part of it.

Urwen

05-09-2021, 07:13 AM

Farthing Stone?

Soriman the Whide

05-09-2021, 07:20 AM

Barrow Blade.
East Road.
Brave sam.

Sorry all good luck with new passwords <:)

Pervinca Took

05-09-2021, 09:39 AM

Farthing Stone?

Nearly.

Thanks for the answers, Soriman! What gift of the lady did 'EAST' come from?

Urwen

05-09-2021, 10:24 AM

Three-Farthing Stone?

Soriman the Whide

05-09-2021, 10:29 AM

Nearly.

Thanks for the answers, Soriman! What gift of the lady did 'EAST' come from?

Poor anagram of Earth if i remeber correctly.

Yeah you guys got all my good ones pretty early, was a lot of fun, lot of stuff happening in life right now for me sorry i couldn't finish the game.

Pervinca Took

05-09-2021, 10:42 AM

THREE: How many hobbits to a) be company and b) destroy a Ring?
HUNTERS: Participants in la chasse, as the French would say. (Aragorn, Gimli & Legolas)
ARTANIS'S GIFT TO GIMLI: Take the second of a golden present. (3 golden hairs)
ERUKYERME, ERULAITALE & ERUHANTALE: Prayers on a star?
__E: Take the third of the third to exist when the Istari came.
STONE (THREE FARTHING): It’s a hard thing when Harriet Beecher changes direction, (3/4 pence).

Thanks, Soriman. Hope all is well.

Huinesoron

05-10-2021, 08:11 AM

AGE for the E, with the Istari coming in the Third Age?

hS

Pervinca Took

05-10-2021, 08:19 AM

THREE: How many hobbits to a) be company and b) destroy a Ring?
HUNTERS: Participants in la chasse, as the French would say. (Aragorn, Gimli & Legolas)
ARTANIS'S GIFT TO GIMLI: Take the second of a golden present. (3 golden hairs)
ERUKYERME, ERULAITALE & ERUHANTALE: Prayers on a star?
AGES: Take the third of the third to exist when the Istari came.
STONE (THREE FARTHING): It’s a hard thing when Harriet Beecher changes direction, (3/4 pence).

AGES it is! Over to URWEN.

Urwen

05-10-2021, 05:15 PM

1. Eye fluids are disturbed, with a vowel switch, and they emerge.
2. Types of boats? Well, not really. They are high.
3. A pen is mightier than these, even if they're deadly.

Morsul the Dark

05-10-2021, 05:41 PM

1. Eye fluids are disturbed, with a vowel switch, and they emerge.

I don’t have a guess this riddle is just ew (https://youtu.be/dVL-KaC6POc)

Pervinca Took

05-10-2021, 07:22 PM

2. Are there boats called TOWERS, because they tow things? TOWERS are high.

3. SWORDS, from the famous saying?

And could the password be TWO? Using the third letter of each answer?

...

1. TREES!

Two of all three. The swords could be Orcrist and Glamdring, perhaps?

Urwen

05-11-2021, 02:44 AM

TREES: Eye fluids are disturbed, with a vowel switch, and they emerge.
TOWERS: Types of boats? Well, not really. They are high.
SWORDS: A pen is mightier than these, even if they're deadly.

Over to you.

Pervinca Took

05-11-2021, 04:50 AM

Short, but very sweet! Thank you.

And here we go again:

1. He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
2. Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
3. She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
4. He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
5. Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
6. Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.
7. Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
8. French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.
9. No clearing around him.
10. Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
11. Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
12. At that time, a song within him.
13. Pester for an animal.
14. Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

Huinesoron

05-11-2021, 08:05 AM

#8: I tried FIN + SLAD (thanks to Wikipedia), and stared at it for a minute before realising I could go for fini > FINUI + SLAD = FINDUILAS.

#12 sounds like something inside THEN. ODE would fit as a song, to give THEODEN.

hS

Galadriel55

05-11-2021, 08:20 AM

1. I think is CARCHAROTH: CAR + CHAR + HOT

11. Might be HELCARAXE - HEL(L) CAR= AXE

Pervinca Took

05-11-2021, 10:28 AM

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
2. Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
3. She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
4. He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
5. Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
6. Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.
7. Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.
9. No clearing around him.
10. Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE: Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
13. Pester for an animal.
14. Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

Well done, all! Four down, ten to go.

Galadriel55

05-11-2021, 11:24 AM

13. Badger? Bug?

Pervinca Took

05-11-2021, 11:25 AM

13. Badger? Bug?

Good ideas; right logic; wrong creatures.

Urwen

05-11-2021, 12:03 PM

13. Hound?

Pervinca Took

05-11-2021, 03:07 PM

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
2. Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
3. She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
4. He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
5. Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
6. Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.
7. Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.
9. No clearing around him.
10. Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE: Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
HOUND: Pester for an animal.
14. Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

Indeed! Well done.

Huinesoron

05-13-2021, 04:43 AM

#14: I vaguely recall from a song that the French for husband sounds like 'marry'. SILL + MARI = SILMARIL?

#10: if taken literally and considering the Middle-earth theme, PLAGUE is a possibility.

hS

Pervinca Took

05-13-2021, 12:11 PM

CARCHAROTH: He’s fierce! Vehicle … scorch at great and troubling temperature!
2. Stone cat – proportion without direction, but noted. Why, we ask? And such spin, for an unpleasant way to go!
3. She’s more innovative, with vowel switch and further revolution.
4. He’s sibilant immediately - sounds like a principal.
5. Greeted Radagast, initially, in his confusion.
6. Fruity soap goes end to front to form something much sharper.
7. Large stones, thrown about, lose the original fourth for them, (a multitude, parenthetically).
FINDUILAS: French finished, you hear, with Laurie Lee’s village? Mingling reveals her.
9. No clearing around him.
10. Like Covid, but the next category downwards.
AXE: Very cold place loses chariot of somewhere very hot (or so it sounds) to leave a weapon?
THEODEN: At that time, a song within him.
13. Pester for an animal.
SILMARIL: Ledge containing French husband produces a shiny thing.

'Plague' is close, and on the right lines, but what is Covid, and what would be the next step down from it?